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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Jan 21, 2021 21:22:38 GMT
Why is supporting County such bloody hard work ?
You would have thought after following County for 57 years I would know better than to think that the recent improvements (on and off the pitch) heralded a period where we could relax and enjoy the ride at last.
We don't know the whole story, and probably never will. Words have obviously been said and two proud persons have been unable to back down and accept a difference of opinion/culture.
Some people will be very happy that JG is gone. I tell you what, the next manager has a difficult job keeping the 12th man on side.
I'll say it again, Bring Back Len White (or perhaps Trevor Porteous !!)
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Post by harrogatehatter on Jan 21, 2021 21:31:34 GMT
To paraphrase the good book, ‘What shall it profit a football club if it should gain the whole league and yet lose its own soul?’
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Jan 21, 2021 21:43:02 GMT
Just a thought - Dave Challinor ? Alun Armstrong ?
Big boots to fill.
(Neil Lennon might be looking for a job soon)
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Post by gazz on Jan 21, 2021 22:39:27 GMT
Just a thought - Dave Challinor ? Alun Armstrong ? Big boots to fill. (Neil Lennon might be looking for a job soon) Wouldn't touch that thug Challinor if he was wearing the shroud of Turin and I was dying of something terminal, Gaffer. Alun on the other hand, would be welcomed home with open arms...... ..... But Stott would still be a tw##. Shi**ing on a hero of mine is f***ing unforgivable.
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Post by arniehammer on Jan 22, 2021 7:30:43 GMT
Morning everyone, just read the news and whilst I do not know a lot about your club I must admit I was shocked! I commented and a few of you responded before and after our FA cup game. Whilst I cant comment generally about your club as I said I dont know enough, I can comment on what I saw in the game which was a well organised team, battling to win a game and showing great spirit. The manager takes the knocks when it goes wrong so your manager took an awful lot of credit in that game in my opinion.good luck for the future, I think who ever takes the job on will be thanking (or should) his predecessor for what his been left with👍👍
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Post by gazz on Jan 22, 2021 8:29:38 GMT
Morning, Arnie.
Thanks very much for coming on to share your thoughts, mate, it's really appreciated.
I'm still in shock here, it just doesn't make sense. "Culture" reasons is just not acceptable and the new owner is never going to be forgiven by me for this. If they wanted their own man in, why not do it from the start? Why celebrate five years with him in charge with a tweet just a few days ago? It doesn't add up.
Jim IS Stockport County and understands the club and its fans, more than this new regime will ever do. I feel seriously gutted this morning, not just for me, but for Jim.
Nobody worked harder than him to turn the club around when we were in real danger of falling off the radar completely. The reason we haven't is in no small part because of Jim's dedication and love for this club.
I do wonder if there are some pretty shady things going on behind the scenes and they knew Jim wouldn't approve and/or keep his mouth shut, but that's just my gut feeling at the moment, probably because I'm scratching around for reasons to make sense of it all.
The future of this club should be with Jim, for many reasons. For one, he's worked with next to no money to get us to where we are right now and has earned that chance to build something great with the backing of a wealthy owner, but he's had it torn from him by a man who knows nothing about us apart from what he's heard from others.
I don't care what he does with the club going forward, because it'll be forever tainted with the way he's crapped all over a man who is not only arguably our greatest ever manager, but who is also a personal hero of mine.
Mark Stott can take his "culture" and **** off.
Best of luck to the Hammers for the rest of the season, mate, I really hope you can have something brilliant to show for it!
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Post by gazz on Jan 22, 2021 9:56:23 GMT
This post on YB by a member named BWScarf absolutely nails it for me:
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"I thought twice about commenting again because I'm not sure I'll add anything new, but why not? We know the club read this board. I want them to read exactly what I'm thinking.
Angry. Saddened. Disillusioned. Trust broken.
Every success this club has had in my lifetime has involved Jim Gannon. He is as close to being 'Mr Stockport County' as it is possible to be. Those who say it's about 'Jim FC' miss the point, often on purpose. Probably because they don't understand it. That emotional attachment counts for more than literally anything else.
The statement itself may well be written with litigation in mind, but it's a disgrace. It's an insult not only to Jim Gannon, but to all of us who have an emotional stake in the club. I am certain that the use of the word 'culture' is designed to be vindictive. That says a lot about the people behind it.
They've been here for five minutes. They don't get to decide what is and isn't 'County'. They don't have the right to lecture us on what our 'culture' should be. How f*cking dare they?
Let's put this into context. Mark Stott will be 80 years old before his association with County stretches as long as Jim Gannon's. Stott could've bought this club at any point. It wasn't until we were in the National League, thanks to Jim Gannon's work, that he came calling.
These people have come into the club with a lot of promise, but we don't owe them anything. Jonathan Vaughan, Simon Wilson. They mean absolutely nothing to me. I would sack every single one of them, and have Stott walk away, if it meant reversing this decision.
I'm going to quote Simon Wilson's own words here, from the summer:
"In Jim, we benefit not only from his significant managerial experience of the good times, bad times, the levels above that we aspire to reach, and the levels below we want to move away from – but also his deep emotional connection with the club and the town. We always want our football identity to be the identity of the supporters and I strongly believe the most successful managers are able to embody this and bring others along on the journey.”
“Anyone who has met or worked with Jim will know his passion and enthusiasm for Stockport and you just can’t help but be affected! It means more to him, and it ends up meaning more to you. As a consequence you couldn’t find a better professional or personal fit for the manager of this football club."
That was one-third of a season ago. So what's changed? Was it a total lie? If something has suddenly changed to undo all that, where's the explanation? Because we bloody well deserve one. Otherwise these words are just meaningless.
I know the likes of Stott, Vaughan and Wilson will be reading these messages. I suspect they've seriously underestimated the reaction, and they'll be shocked by the backlash. I hope so. And I hope they are stung by the criticism, because they should be. If they don't take note of this, they never will. It's not about money, or success. It's about the identity of the club. Our identity, not theirs.
And I think they don't realise that they've taken away the human shield. I was happy to overlook other minor missteps and misgivings for the sake of letting them bed in and show their value to us. Not any more. All that goodwill, from the stadium refurbishment, the nice little touches here and there - gone, in a heartbeat.
The sad thing about this is, Stott can just keep throwing money at it, and end up feeling justified. But it could have been so much better. He could have been the person that enabled the one thing we've all yearned for: Jim Gannon finishing the unfinished business, leading us back into the Football League and taking us on the journey.
But for me, he (or his staff) has broken my trust in a way that suggests they fundamentally misunderstand what we are about. I'm not sure whether that can be healed. It's not an exaggeration to say any future success will be tainted in my eyes, and I'm sure in those of many others. County isn't about winning football matches. It's about who we are, what we represent, and what we want to be. You can't have a club rooted in a community if you tear out its heart.
It's going to take a very long time to rebuild what they've thrown away. Their next move better be spectacularly good.
(P.S. On a football level, it's a f*cking ridiculous decision. You will not find a better tactician that will work for this football club. Guaranteed. Fools.)"
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I hope those in charge read all these responses to what can only be seen as a total f***ing disregard for us, the fans.
Stott won't be seeing a penny of my money now, no matter what level of success he buys for the club.
Anyone in any doubt as to the seriousness of this move should consider this: would YOU trust a man whose administration praised a man to the skies on the club's official Twitter account just days ago, then dismisses him?
There's a poster who is on YB going by the name 'left' who had been suggesting unrest at the club and Jim's imminent dismissal weeks ago, that same unrest that Liam Hogan tweeted a solid denial to soon after, so I'm wondering if Jim's been set up again here with deliberate 'leaks', Chinese whispers from certain people at the club designed to undermine and unsettle him.
Jim's not perfect, even he'll tell you that, but nobody is and I seriously doubt he's done anything wrong here that warrants his dismissal. I'm willing to bet there's something sinister going on here other than just 'cultural' differences, but I'm also willing to bet that all we will ever hear regarding the so-called 'truth' will be yet more of those Chinese whispers.
I do hope someone who knows Jim will be relaying these messages to him. If so, I'd just like to say thanks, Jim, for everything you've done for this club and for all the amazing memories you've given me since you first set foot in SK3 9DD.
I could just list them all here, but I'd need to get in touch with Proboards first to see about buying more storage.
One of the last two remaining links to the County I love is gone now, the only thing left is my memories, Stott and his cronies could never take them away, nor could he surpass them.
I've never forgiven Glenn Hoddle for dropping Paul Gascoigne and I never will, and I'll never forgive Mark Stott for getting rid of Jim Gannon, so I'll never get tired of saying this: f*** off, Mark Stott
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Post by harrogatehatter on Jan 22, 2021 11:53:01 GMT
I fear that we are going to become an identikit plastic football club bankrolled by a wealthy owner with no interest in the culture of the club. The plan is to get to the Championship in seven years? At what cost?
The long suffering fans have stood loyally by the club through some truly awful times: Brian Kennedy, Administration, Peter Snape, Ryan McKnight to name a few and finally we have what appeared to be, on the face of it, an owner with money to invest and the future was looking bright. The upgrade to EP, the training ground and the quality of the players signed were very welcome. But it now appears that to the owners County is just another football club to be used as a rich man’s hobby.
If that’s what we’ve become then I, for one, will find it hard to continue supporting the club I love.
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Post by gazz on Jan 22, 2021 12:18:02 GMT
I fear that we are going to become an identikit plastic football club bankrolled by a wealthy owner with no interest in the culture of the club. The plan is to get to the Championship in seven years? At what cost? The long suffering fans have stood loyally by the club through some truly awful times: Brian Kennedy, Administration, Peter Snape, Ryan McKnight to name a few and finally we have what appeared to be, on the face of it, an owner with money to invest and the future was looking bright. The upgrade to EP, the training ground and the quality of the players signed were very welcome. But it now appears that to the owners County is just another football club to be used as a rich man’s hobby. If that’s what we’ve become then I, for one, will find it hard to continue supporting the club I love. That is a quality post, HH and is pretty much where I am right now.
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Post by countyfan on Jan 22, 2021 12:55:47 GMT
Well after a sh*t morning with work i've just logged on for the 1st time today and read this news making the day even worse!!
I'm personally gutted at this news and i'm kinda sat here numb!
There's been something not right for a good few weeks as I noticed that the pre match interviews stopped a while ago and he players have not been performing like they did before we had our Covid break in November. if the players have stopped playing for Jim because they don't like being shouted out then they can also f*ck off for me. He is County through and through and no matter how many times this clubs taken a massive sh*t on him, every time they've come back asking for his help he's jumped at the chance because he loves the club! If some unknown "yes man" comes in now then Stott is a f*ucking pr**k that isn't a County fan but seen this as business opportunity only. Regardless of who comes in actually he's still a pr**k.
The only games i've not paid to watch this season are the FA Trophy matches but there's no way i'm paying to watch tomorrow's game and I won't be paying to watch any for the foreseeable i'm afraid.
Gutted and sad.
Thanks Jim (again) for all you've done for Stockport County, you will be missed by the majority and I know you'll return one in at the club in some form or another.
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Post by countyfan on Jan 22, 2021 12:59:14 GMT
From the website "This has been an extremely difficult decision for the Club’s Board to take and not a decision taken lightly. The decision is not results based but is centred around culture"
What, so you mean that someone studying every opposition in high detail, preparing for every game based on how they will set up against us and getting the players trying to play football that is suited to the leagues 2 or 3 levels above where we are is the wrong culture???
Get f*cked board.....or should I say Stott
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Post by countyfan on Jan 22, 2021 13:04:09 GMT
Out of curiosity, is anyone happy about this decision or know any County fan that is?
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Post by gazz on Jan 22, 2021 13:12:36 GMT
Out of curiosity, is anyone happy about this decision or know any County fan that is? I don't know anyone that is pleased about it, but there are one or two sad tw##s on yellowboard that are calmly revelling in it, but the overwhelming majority on there are as gutted and as monumentally p**sed off as we are. For someone that allegedly polarised opinion, he doesn't half have a lot of backing today.
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Post by gazz on Jan 22, 2021 13:13:48 GMT
If it's any of the players that have helped bring this sh*t about, they too can f*** off.
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Post by ceefer on Jan 22, 2021 16:49:22 GMT
Out of curiosity, is anyone happy about this decision or know any County fan that is? Not at all mate. Shocking news and it's really soured the week and beyond.
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