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Post by gazz on Sept 13, 2024 18:54:14 GMT
Just a thought from Labour’s start in government. Do we need to change the name of this thread as they are being a bit of a shower at the moment. Not just yet, as they've got some way to go to becoming the shower that the previous lot were. They've only been in power a matter of months, so may I suggest a 'Labour watch' or something similar? That's not me being an apologist, by the way, far from it. I just think the bar on 'shower' has been set incredibly low by the last government, and these are nowhere near that - yet. Just my two cents, Duds. |
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Post by dudleyhatter on Sept 13, 2024 20:05:52 GMT
I agree Gazz, my comment was slightly tongue in cheek. As you say the conservatives kept setting an ever lower barrier of shamble led governance. The leadership election should provide them with more opportunities to show what a true shower they have become.
Labour deserve a chance to fix this, but things like the pensioners money heist are bad optics.
As you say a Labour watch thread could be interesting.
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Post by gazz on Sept 13, 2024 20:36:09 GMT
Labour deserve a chance to fix this, but things like the pensioners money heist are bad optics. Pretty much this, mate ↑↑↑ They should have gone for those that didn't need it, Duds, so they've messed this up, I agree. |
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Post by archie on Sept 15, 2024 8:08:41 GMT
Many pensioners (like me) don't need the winter fuel allowance. The trouble is that you need a qualifying condition that already exists rather than spending money on building another system and the pension credit bar is quite low. I think that the qualifier should be whether or not you pay income tax. This bar is a couple of thousand higher and the information is already there in the tax code.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Sept 15, 2024 8:32:18 GMT
Thanks Archie, I have always felt that there were obviously some pensioners who didn’t need such allowances, but the optics of this are so bad. They are presenting the right wing press with easy opportunities to say Labour are coming after you.
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Post by archie on Sept 17, 2024 14:55:59 GMT
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Oct 9, 2024 18:33:34 GMT
So the Tories are down to Badenoch and Jenrick !!!
That's feels a bit like asking if you want to be smashed in the face or kicked up the arse.
Jenrick's daughter's middle name is ................... Thatcher. Unbelievable.
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Post by gazz on Oct 9, 2024 19:54:18 GMT
So the Tories are down to Badenoch and Jenrick !!! That's feels a bit like asking if you want to be smashed in the face or kicked up the arse. Jenrick's daughter's middle name is ................... Thatcher. Unbelievable. Jesus wept, Gaffer. That's a low bar, right there. |
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Post by dudleyhatter on Oct 10, 2024 5:04:46 GMT
So the Tories are down to Badenoch and Jenrick !!! That's feels a bit like asking if you want to be smashed in the face or kicked up the arse. Jenrick's daughter's middle name is ................... Thatcher. Unbelievable. This, to my mind, makes them almost unelectable and will keep them looking towards Reform and chasing the far right vote. Mind you labour are heading that way too… |
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Post by gazz on Oct 10, 2024 7:01:39 GMT
So the Tories are down to Badenoch and Jenrick !!! That's feels a bit like asking if you want to be smashed in the face or kicked up the arse. Jenrick's daughter's middle name is ................... Thatcher. Unbelievable. This, to my mind, makes them almost unelectable and will keep them looking towards Reform and chasing the far right vote. Mind you labour are heading that way too… Agreed, Duds, this is Labour's one opportunity to shift the Overton window back to at least some kind of normality, but I don't think Starmer has any interest in doing so. |
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Oct 10, 2024 7:39:51 GMT
Ed Davey must be rubbing his hands !
Time to fall off a paddle board again, Edward.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Oct 10, 2024 17:11:40 GMT
This, to my mind, makes them almost unelectable and will keep them looking towards Reform and chasing the far right vote. Mind you labour are heading that way too… Agreed, Duds, this is Labour's one opportunity to shift the Overton window back to at least some kind of normality, but I don't think Starmer has any interest in doing so. I don't think that Starmer, like Sunak before him, has the basic political ability. |
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Post by archie on Oct 10, 2024 17:35:13 GMT
All governments get the bad news out of the way early in the term to allow for giveaways (or a Falklands war) closer to the next election.
With the Tory choices, reminiscent of going for Hague and Duncan-Smith, the only way that Labour lose the next election, short of WW3, is to go too far to the left. Never has worked and never will. Too many still think that the ruling class, God bless Boris, will take all the nasty decisions and keep them poor but happy.
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Post by gazz on Oct 10, 2024 18:34:45 GMT
All governments get the bad news out of the way early in the term to allow for giveaways (or a Falklands war) closer to the next election. With the Tory choices, reminiscent of going for Hague and Duncan-Smith, the only way that Labour lose the next election, short of WW3, is to go too far to the left. Never has worked and never will. Too many still think that the ruling class, God bless Boris, will take all the nasty decisions and keep them poor but happy. You're right, mate, sadly, but I'm not against a shift to just left of centre, as that's still some considerable distance from the last lot. |
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Post by gazz on Oct 10, 2024 20:08:01 GMT
Agreed, Duds, this is Labour's one opportunity to shift the Overton window back to at least some kind of normality, but I don't think Starmer has any interest in doing so. I don't think that Starmer, like Sunak before him, has the basic political ability. Sadly, I think you're right. |
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