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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 25, 2024 19:09:52 GMT
Unfortunately, the minister concerned has stated that he "...has no objection in principle to foreign ownership". Well, he should have every objection to key industries being owned by foreign entities. They are in it solely for profit and one thing can be said for an absolute certainty if this Czech profiteer takes over then the quality of service will decline (he has already spoken of fewer deliveries) and potentially thousands of British workers will lose their jobs, the tab, in terms of benefits payments to be picked up by the public purse whilst the profits are off-shored and out of the reach of HMRC. FFS! Do the political clown classes of this country never learn? Ref your earlier post. As previously discussed, no apologies required. You may be interested to note I'm just about to become the union rep at work. More people on whose behalf to argue with management!! You're supposed to mellow with age...aye...right!
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Post by gazz on Jul 25, 2024 20:59:57 GMT
Unfortunately, the minister concerned has stated that he "...has no objection in principle to foreign ownership". Well, he should have every objection to key industries being owned by foreign entities. They are in it solely for profit and one thing can be said for an absolute certainty if this Czech profiteer takes over then the quality of service will decline (he has already spoken of fewer deliveries) and potentially thousands of British workers will lose their jobs, the tab, in terms of benefits payments to be picked up by the public purse whilst the profits are off-shored and out of the reach of HMRC. FFS! Do the political clown classes of this country never learn? Ref your earlier post. As previously discussed, no apologies required. You may be interested to note I'm just about to become the union rep at work. More people on whose behalf to argue with management!! You're supposed to mellow with age...aye...right! I completely agree with all of that. That's good to hear that you've taken up the role of Union rep, mate, they're seriously lucky to have you in their corner. If only my employers would recognise a Union, things would be so much more bearable. However, the day Rothermere and Murdoch do that, there'll be snowball fights in hell.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 26, 2024 3:54:26 GMT
Unfortunately, the minister concerned has stated that he "...has no objection in principle to foreign ownership". Well, he should have every objection to key industries being owned by foreign entities. They are in it solely for profit and one thing can be said for an absolute certainty if this Czech profiteer takes over then the quality of service will decline (he has already spoken of fewer deliveries) and potentially thousands of British workers will lose their jobs, the tab, in terms of benefits payments to be picked up by the public purse whilst the profits are off-shored and out of the reach of HMRC. FFS! Do the political clown classes of this country never learn? Ref your earlier post. As previously discussed, no apologies required. You may be interested to note I'm just about to become the union rep at work. More people on whose behalf to argue with management!! You're supposed to mellow with age...aye...right! I completely agree with all of that. That's good to hear that you've taken up the role of Union rep, mate, they're seriously lucky to have you in their corner. If only my employers would recognise a Union, things would be so much more bearable. However, the day Rothermere and Murdoch do that, there'll be snowball fights in hell. It is very difficult to get union recognition these days. Not impossible, but very difficult thanks to the relentless attacks on union membership by the political right, amplified by their propaganda arms at the Daily Express, Daily Heil, GB News, etc who produce a string of images based on the events of the 1970's. Sometimes you have to pinch yourself by way of a reminder that the 1970's are now a distant and fading 50 year old memory and that the majority of the population were not even born at the time. Even when unions are able to force a vote, there is no guarantee of success as recently demonstrated by the Amazon site in Coventry. If ever there was a case in favour of organised labour, Amazon is it. Having worked at a business whose senior management wished to prevent union membership I have first hand experience of the type of threatening and coercive tactics they use.
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Post by gazz on Jul 26, 2024 5:30:18 GMT
Even when unions are able to force a vote, there is no guarantee of success as recently demonstrated by the Amazon site in Coventry. If ever there was a case in favour of organised labour, Amazon is it. Having worked at a business whose senior management wished to prevent union membership I have first hand experience of the type of threatening and coercive tactics they use. Who the f*** voted against it? It had to be a majority of foreign workers not wanting to rock the boat, it had to be, mate. I can't see it being any other reason. Who wouldn't want a Union in work to protect them at a company like Amazon - surely Brits wouldn't vote against a more secure position in work? Whatever the reason, they're turkeys voting for Christmas, that's all I can say. Amazon can f*** off, if I can't find it anywhere else, I'm going without. Horrible, scummy company. I wouldn't work there if I was on my arse, I'd sooner sweep the streets.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 26, 2024 11:31:11 GMT
Even when unions are able to force a vote, there is no guarantee of success as recently demonstrated by the Amazon site in Coventry. If ever there was a case in favour of organised labour, Amazon is it. Having worked at a business whose senior management wished to prevent union membership I have first hand experience of the type of threatening and coercive tactics they use. Who the f*** voted against it? It had to be a majority of foreign workers not wanting to rock the boat, it had to be, mate. I can't see it being any other reason. Who wouldn't want a Union in work to protect them at a company like Amazon - surely Brits wouldn't vote against a more secure position in work? Whatever the reason, they're turkeys voting for Christmas, that's all I can say. Amazon can f*** off, if I can't find it anywhere else, I'm going without. Horrible, scummy company. I wouldn't work there if I was on my arse, I'd sooner sweep the streets. I don't know the demographics of Amazon's employees so can't comment. One thing is for sure and that is that in a country where so many people live very precarious lives, fear of losing your job is a significant driver. By precarious, I mean that they probably pay through the nose to live in rented accommodation with a very insecure tenancy agreement. They will be low paid, on temporary, part-time or zero-hours contracts that give them few employment rights. That is the world of work for millions of people in this country and it has been the deliberate policy of a succession of right-wing Governments during the last 45 years to pursue policies that deliberately make it so. That insecurity includes everyone employed in such conditions, not merely immigrant labour. If you consider that 1/3 of all adults in this country have savings of less than £1000, in other words enough to cover bills for no more than 1 month one can easily see why they may effectively vote to not rock the boat. My experience of managements response to attempts to unionise a shop floor was one of management bullying and threatening. Threatening to fire and rehire, casualise the labour force and even close the site and move it elsewhere and it worked. Inducements were offered to to certain members of staff who it was thought might be able to influence other members of staff. I was offered promotion if I were to talk up the management view. Ultimately of course, no political party in the world can impose its policies on a country if it can't convince enough people to vote for it and therein lies the success of the Tories. They convinced enough people that privatising nationally owned industries, privatising social housing, liberalising (for liberalising read removing) large numbers of labour laws, that all the country's ills could be ascribed to unionism, immigration, the undeserving poor, single parents, the unemployed (it's been estimated that in order to turn this country into a low wage, low skill economy Thatcher's policies needed 1 million people to be unemployed), young adults who may have wanted to improve their life chances and social mobility by going to university (hence massive costs forced on students in a bid to put them off), etc, etc. And just to put a tin lid on the whole of the last 45 years, Reeves has today announced a hole in the public finances of at least 20 thousand million pounds! WTAF!!! It's tempting to offer congratulations to those who have supported the Tories and kept this bunch of f***ing crooks in power for 32 of the last 45 years but what is the point? The country is well and truly broken and it isn't going to be fixed by blaming anybody but right now this minute I don't see where we go from here tbh.
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Post by gazz on Jul 26, 2024 15:06:57 GMT
Who the f*** voted against it? It had to be a majority of foreign workers not wanting to rock the boat, it had to be, mate. I can't see it being any other reason. Who wouldn't want a Union in work to protect them at a company like Amazon - surely Brits wouldn't vote against a more secure position in work? Whatever the reason, they're turkeys voting for Christmas, that's all I can say. Amazon can f*** off, if I can't find it anywhere else, I'm going without. Horrible, scummy company. I wouldn't work there if I was on my arse, I'd sooner sweep the streets. I don't know the demographics of Amazon's employees so can't comment. One thing is for sure and that is that in a country where so many people live very precarious lives, fear of losing your job is a significant driver. By precarious, I mean that they probably pay through the nose to live in rented accommodation with a very insecure tenancy agreement. They will be low paid, on temporary, part-time or zero-hours contracts that give them few employment rights. That is the world of work for millions of people in this country and it has been the deliberate policy of a succession of right-wing Governments during the last 45 years to pursue policies that deliberately make it so. That insecurity includes everyone employed in such conditions, not merely immigrant labour. If you consider that 1/3 of all adults in this country have savings of less than £1000, in other words enough to cover bills for no more than 1 month one can easily see why they may effectively vote to not rock the boat. My experience of managements response to attempts to unionise a shop floor was one of management bullying and threatening. Threatening to fire and rehire, casualise the labour force and even close the site and move it elsewhere and it worked. Inducements were offered to to certain members of staff who it was thought might be able to influence other members of staff. I was offered promotion if I were to talk up the management view. Ultimately of course, no political party in the world can impose its policies on a country if it can't convince enough people to vote for it and therein lies the success of the Tories. They convinced enough people that privatising nationally owned industries, privatising social housing, liberalising (for liberalising read removing) large numbers of labour laws, that all the country's ills could be ascribed to unionism, immigration, the undeserving poor, single parents, the unemployed (it's been estimated that in order to turn this country into a low wage, low skill economy Thatcher's policies needed 1 million people to be unemployed), young adults who may have wanted to improve their life chances and social mobility by going to university (hence massive costs forced on students in a bid to put them off), etc, etc. And just to put a tin lid on the whole of the last 45 years, Reeves has today announced a hole in the public finances of at least 20 thousand million pounds! WTAF!!! It's tempting to offer congratulations to those who have supported the Tories and kept this bunch of f***ing crooks in power for 32 of the last 45 years but what is the point? The country is well and truly broken and it isn't going to be fixed by blaming anybody but right now this minute I don't see where we go from here tbh. Another great post, mate, but it makes for some grim reading. I had a feeling that the last bunch will have left a mess, but Christ on a bike, I wasn't expecting that. As you say, where the hell do we go from here?
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Post by ceefer on Jul 26, 2024 17:15:59 GMT
Who the f*** voted against it? It had to be a majority of foreign workers not wanting to rock the boat, it had to be, mate. I can't see it being any other reason. Who wouldn't want a Union in work to protect them at a company like Amazon - surely Brits wouldn't vote against a more secure position in work? Whatever the reason, they're turkeys voting for Christmas, that's all I can say. Amazon can f*** off, if I can't find it anywhere else, I'm going without. Horrible, scummy company. I wouldn't work there if I was on my arse, I'd sooner sweep the streets. I don't know the demographics of Amazon's employees so can't comment. One thing is for sure and that is that in a country where so many people live very precarious lives, fear of losing your job is a significant driver. By precarious, I mean that they probably pay through the nose to live in rented accommodation with a very insecure tenancy agreement. They will be low paid, on temporary, part-time or zero-hours contracts that give them few employment rights. That is the world of work for millions of people in this country and it has been the deliberate policy of a succession of right-wing Governments during the last 45 years to pursue policies that deliberately make it so. That insecurity includes everyone employed in such conditions, not merely immigrant labour. If you consider that 1/3 of all adults in this country have savings of less than £1000, in other words enough to cover bills for no more than 1 month one can easily see why they may effectively vote to not rock the boat. My experience of managements response to attempts to unionise a shop floor was one of management bullying and threatening. Threatening to fire and rehire, casualise the labour force and even close the site and move it elsewhere and it worked. Inducements were offered to to certain members of staff who it was thought might be able to influence other members of staff. I was offered promotion if I were to talk up the management view. Ultimately of course, no political party in the world can impose its policies on a country if it can't convince enough people to vote for it and therein lies the success of the Tories. They convinced enough people that privatising nationally owned industries, privatising social housing, liberalising (for liberalising read removing) large numbers of labour laws, that all the country's ills could be ascribed to unionism, immigration, the undeserving poor, single parents, the unemployed (it's been estimated that in order to turn this country into a low wage, low skill economy Thatcher's policies needed 1 million people to be unemployed), young adults who may have wanted to improve their life chances and social mobility by going to university (hence massive costs forced on students in a bid to put them off), etc, etc. And just to put a tin lid on the whole of the last 45 years, Reeves has today announced a hole in the public finances of at least 20 thousand million pounds! WTAF!!! It's tempting to offer congratulations to those who have supported the Tories and kept this bunch of f***ing crooks in power for 32 of the last 45 years but what is the point? The country is well and truly broken and it isn't going to be fixed by blaming anybody but right now this minute I don't see where we go from here tbh. I bet that last paragraph ie how the tories have hugely increased national debt won’t make the daily tags. I could guarantee if it was the Labour Party it would be headlines for months to come. The labour party need to really restrict the bilge that is spouted by the right wing press and close the bar stewards down or whip them into honest reporting through imposing huge fines. The tories have been playing with ours and our children’s future . I’m flabbergasted that they have to review why they weren’t re elected. Any fool or idiot can see that. They all have their heads so far up somewhere.
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Post by ceefer on Jul 26, 2024 17:20:02 GMT
Cuedos to RR on appointing a Covid commissioner.
And hoping they can claw back millions from the Tory cronies who took the p*ss out of Joe Public and the NHS workforce by providing rubbish PPE. And someone needs to justify the…. Was it billions spent on the covid app…. How in hells name could that be justified.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 26, 2024 18:34:06 GMT
I don't know the demographics of Amazon's employees so can't comment. One thing is for sure and that is that in a country where so many people live very precarious lives, fear of losing your job is a significant driver. By precarious, I mean that they probably pay through the nose to live in rented accommodation with a very insecure tenancy agreement. They will be low paid, on temporary, part-time or zero-hours contracts that give them few employment rights. That is the world of work for millions of people in this country and it has been the deliberate policy of a succession of right-wing Governments during the last 45 years to pursue policies that deliberately make it so. That insecurity includes everyone employed in such conditions, not merely immigrant labour. If you consider that 1/3 of all adults in this country have savings of less than £1000, in other words enough to cover bills for no more than 1 month one can easily see why they may effectively vote to not rock the boat. My experience of managements response to attempts to unionise a shop floor was one of management bullying and threatening. Threatening to fire and rehire, casualise the labour force and even close the site and move it elsewhere and it worked. Inducements were offered to to certain members of staff who it was thought might be able to influence other members of staff. I was offered promotion if I were to talk up the management view. Ultimately of course, no political party in the world can impose its policies on a country if it can't convince enough people to vote for it and therein lies the success of the Tories. They convinced enough people that privatising nationally owned industries, privatising social housing, liberalising (for liberalising read removing) large numbers of labour laws, that all the country's ills could be ascribed to unionism, immigration, the undeserving poor, single parents, the unemployed (it's been estimated that in order to turn this country into a low wage, low skill economy Thatcher's policies needed 1 million people to be unemployed), young adults who may have wanted to improve their life chances and social mobility by going to university (hence massive costs forced on students in a bid to put them off), etc, etc. And just to put a tin lid on the whole of the last 45 years, Reeves has today announced a hole in the public finances of at least 20 thousand million pounds! WTAF!!! It's tempting to offer congratulations to those who have supported the Tories and kept this bunch of f***ing crooks in power for 32 of the last 45 years but what is the point? The country is well and truly broken and it isn't going to be fixed by blaming anybody but right now this minute I don't see where we go from here tbh. Another great post, mate, but it makes for some grim reading. I had a feeling that the last bunch will have left a mess, but Christ on a bike, I wasn't expecting that. As you say, where the hell do we go from here? Unfortunately. Reeves is, to a degree playing politics with this. The Institute for Fiscal Studies pointed out that Hunt's figures didn't add up after his last budget in March. There was every indication that he knew damn well he wouldn't be in office long enough to implement any of it. Interestingly, the Office for Budget Responsibility, in whose dubious wisdom Reeves places such faith signed off the same budget. Interesting times, and I suspect that Reeves' response will determine the success of otherwise of this Labour Government. Personally, I don't have a great deal of faith in a former senior Bank of England employee. On the contrary. I should have thought that her association with the BoE should have been reason enough to keep her well away from the role of Chancellor.
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Post by gazz on Jul 26, 2024 18:39:20 GMT
Another great post, mate, but it makes for some grim reading. I had a feeling that the last bunch will have left a mess, but Christ on a bike, I wasn't expecting that. As you say, where the hell do we go from here? Unfortunately. Reeves is, to a degree playing politics with this. The Institute for Fiscal Studies pointed out that Hunt's figures didn't add up after his last budget in March. There was every indication that he knew damn well he wouldn't be in office long enough to implement any of it. Interestingly, the Office for Budget Responsibility, in whose dubious wisdom Reeves places such faith signed off the same budget. Interesting times, and I suspect that Reeves' response will determine the success of otherwise of this Labour Government. Personally, I don't have a great deal of faith in a former senior Bank of England employee. On the contrary. I should have thought that her association with the BoE should have been reason enough to keep her well away from the role of Chancellor. For all our sakes, I hope you're wrong, mate.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 26, 2024 18:57:32 GMT
Cuedos to RR on appointing a Covid commissioner. And hoping they can claw back millions from the Tory cronies who took the p*ss out of Joe Public and the NHS workforce by providing rubbish PPE. And someone needs to justify the…. Was it billions spent on the covid app…. How in hells name could that be justified. I don't think that it is a coincidence that the election was called to take place before the findings of the covid inquiry were published last week. It slaughtered the Government for its mis-handling of the entire event. It's curious but if someone dies in an accident at work, in some circumstances, individual managers can be held accountable where corporate negligence is found to have been a factor and yet the same doesn't apply to politicians potentially guilty of gross negligence leading to the deaths of tens of thousands.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 26, 2024 19:22:08 GMT
Unfortunately. Reeves is, to a degree playing politics with this. The Institute for Fiscal Studies pointed out that Hunt's figures didn't add up after his last budget in March. There was every indication that he knew damn well he wouldn't be in office long enough to implement any of it. Interestingly, the Office for Budget Responsibility, in whose dubious wisdom Reeves places such faith signed off the same budget. Interesting times, and I suspect that Reeves' response will determine the success of otherwise of this Labour Government. Personally, I don't have a great deal of faith in a former senior Bank of England employee. On the contrary. I should have thought that her association with the BoE should have been reason enough to keep her well away from the role of Chancellor. For all our sakes, I hope you're wrong, mate. I suppose that I should justify that comment. Neo-liberalism is at the root of this country's ills, in my opinion. Neo-liberals want major decisions to be made by the private sector, and the central bank to issue currency for "private" lenders alone. The power of the democratic state is to be permanently removed as an economic manager. One could argue about the reasons why until the cows come home but I've read enough to be persuaded that neo-liberals have a terror of both the nation state and the electorate, rooted in the pre-WW2 growth of totalitarian dictators and spread by the likes of Hayek and von Mises who escaped Europe before the war. The neoliberal aim really is to break any relationship between the nation and its population. And that will then leave all financial decision making in the hands of technocrats. It’s technocrats who now have control of finance, politics, education and mass media, even the think tanks like the IEA. Looking at names of political donors, and the utterances of Reeves, I guess even Labour has fallen for the poison, and it is a poison as it completely absolves Government of any responsibility. We saw a brief example of the extent to which this could yet go with the happily brief premiership of Liz Truss. The form that the Tory Party takes during the next few months and years as it absorbs the lessons of what recently happened will be fascinating to observe. As I said elsewhere, interesting times.
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Post by gazz on Jul 26, 2024 20:03:48 GMT
...and it is a poison as it completely absolves Government of any responsibility. I think you've summed it up right there, mate.
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