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Post by gazz on Jul 6, 2024 22:00:28 GMT
Quite why the BBC would wish to provide him with such a high profile platform on top of that provided by the Mickey Mouse "journalism" of GB News is beyond me. Exactly, mate, and it makes you wonder why the BBC is often accused by the right of being 'lefty', even it seems like they can't get enough of the horrible little sh*t.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Jul 6, 2024 22:29:04 GMT
I do think though that Reform will allow the Labour Party to continue a more centrist track, as the conservatives will be looking to the right rather than the centre ground and Labour can leave them there.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Jul 7, 2024 7:54:45 GMT
Every pantomime has to have a villain.
NF fits the role superbly (and deservedly)
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Post by archie on Jul 7, 2024 8:09:23 GMT
I've been voting in general elections since 1970 (that's 15 so far) and the lesson of history is that, when a party has been in power for 10 years or more, the electorate have got bored and politicians have got complacent. Without a specific issue like Brexit or a war, any opposition worth its salt knows that victory comes from occupying the centre ground. The Tories have drifted right but not far enough for extremists like Farage and the other lesson of history is that when a governing party is kicked out, it tends to go more extreme making it even less electable.
Whether or not you admire their principles, Foot in the 80s and more recently Corbyn were never going to appeal to centrists and the same can be said for Duncan-Smith and Howard. As someone of the centre left, I'd be more than happy for the Tories to go with Braverman or Badenoch and move to the right whether or not they court Farage. He may claim that Reform is a centre right party but everyone knows that it's more extreme than that and centrists just won't go there. It seems to me that, of the presumed candidates, only Tugendhat would try to stay centre right.
As Johnson so eloquently demonstrated, in difficult times a leader needs to be a details man and a good administrator. These are very difficult times and Starmer is well suited to the role.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Jul 7, 2024 12:18:21 GMT
This is what people like Farage don’t want other people to understand. You can have more than one facet to your identity. In his case you can be a former public school merchant banker and still a ‘man of the people’… x.com/nickmiller79/status/1809714875960086962?s=46
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Post by gazz on Jul 8, 2024 1:17:34 GMT
This is what people like Farage don’t want other people to understand. You can have more than one facet to your identity. In his case you can be a former public school merchant banker and still a ‘man of the people’… x.com/nickmiller79/status/1809714875960086962?s=46I f***ing love that! Have that, Farage! Cheers for posting, Duds, that genuinely made me smile during a really sh*tty night in work! Fantastic!
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 24, 2024 11:04:06 GMT
Am I alone in wearying of the sound of the relentless whingeing emitted by the political right after their recent reckoning with a very pissed off electorate? A period of quiet reflection should be the order of the day with the emphasis on quiet, is a message that Braverman and Truss in particular could do with taking on board. Both of them appear to have had their self-awareness circuits completely by-passed.
Elsewhere, on planet Starmer it is apparently acceptable to suspend Labour MP's for refusing to toe the line in a vote to reduce child poverty. Mmm, didn't take him long to demonstrate his true colours did it? He seems to have forgotten that reducing poverty was one of the core founding principles of the party.
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Post by gazz on Jul 24, 2024 11:43:23 GMT
Genuine question. Are you going to praise him when he does something right, or are you just waiting to pounce on anything he does, simply because you don't like him?
I notice you've made no comment on this:
"According to the speech, the new government’s Employment Rights Bill reform will ban companies imposing zero-hour contracts, outlaw fire and re-hire tactics and strengthen workers' rights by providing parental leave, sick pay and protection from unfair dismissal to all workers."
I'd call that pretty significant and worthy of praise, or are you just going to post whenever Starmer has beef with Corbyn and his mates?
Give him a chance, mate. How about judging him on at least one of the five years he's got? I don't know about you, but after the 14 years we've just had, sitting in my armchair and sticking a fork in my leg every 60 seconds is going to be an improvement on that.
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Post by gazz on Jul 24, 2024 11:48:57 GMT
Just to add. I'm nowhere near your level of political knowledge, nor am I as informed or as articulate as yourself, but I know one thing for sure, and that 3 weeks might be a long time in politics, but it isn't in my lifetime - 14 years of Tory rule is, though.
I'm done, I'm f***ing knackered and just over halfway through working 60 hours of nights for a bunch of c***s who don't give two sh**s about the human element, so I'm not up for an intense political debate.
What I am up for, however, is giving the guy a chance to make more lives better in this country than not. I really don't know what the f*** you were expecting in 19 days, mate.
Jesus f***ing Christ.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Jul 24, 2024 18:39:06 GMT
Genuine question. Are you going to praise him when he does something right, or are you just waiting to pounce on anything he does, simply because you don't like him? I notice you've made no comment on this: "According to the speech, the new government’s Employment Rights Bill reform will ban companies imposing zero-hour contracts, outlaw fire and re-hire tactics and strengthen workers' rights by providing parental leave, sick pay and protection from unfair dismissal to all workers." I'd call that pretty significant and worthy of praise, or are you just going to post whenever Starmer has beef with Corbyn and his mates? Give him a chance, mate. How about judging him on at least one of the five years he's got? I don't know about you, but after the 14 years we've just had, sitting in my armchair and sticking a fork in my leg every 60 seconds is going to be an improvement on that. I messaged you mate
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Post by gazz on Jul 24, 2024 21:46:36 GMT
Cheers, mate, I've just taken my break in work and I've read and replied.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Jul 25, 2024 8:09:20 GMT
Well done guys, thanks for keeping it civilized. Brilliant
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Post by gazz on Jul 25, 2024 9:33:58 GMT
Well done guys, thanks for keeping it civilized. Brilliant You've no need to worry about myself and Yorks, mate, we swap PMs pretty regularly and are both aware that's it's never personal, so it's never going to get to that point. He knows he has my one hundred percent respect. I'm nowhere near as articulate, or indeed diplomatic as him, though - who'd have thought that?!
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Post by gazz on Jul 25, 2024 12:52:26 GMT
@ Yorks: Nobody should be above being held to account, and I'm going to apologise for not recognising/acknowledging that sooner.
The last thing we want this place to become is an echo chamber, regardless of one's political leanings.
I just wanted to clear that up, mate.
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Post by gazz on Jul 25, 2024 13:22:39 GMT
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