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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Jul 17, 2024 14:44:51 GMT
I agree that Howe would be a costly capture and why would he accept a poisoned chalice ?
I do like his philosophy and how his teams play.
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Post by archie on Jul 17, 2024 17:22:23 GMT
Newcastle are flat track bullies. Formidable at home but timid away. If Howe gets credit for home wins he has to shoulder responsibility for away defeats and, more importantly, the way they play away from St James' Park. I certainly can't see him worth the huge amount of money that it would take to buy him out of his contract.
Again, just my view, but I think that Potter is a good coach who struggled to motivate big names and egos at Chelsea.
St George's Park has been a game-changer for the national team because it shows how players can progress through continuity up the age grades. It's also meant to show progression for coaches which is why I favour Carsley or Cooper (even though he's Welsh!).
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Post by gazz on Jul 17, 2024 19:20:45 GMT
Newcastle are flat track bullies. Formidable at home but timid away. If Howe gets credit for home wins he has to shoulder responsibility for away defeats and, more importantly, the way they play away from St James' Park. I certainly can't see him worth the huge amount of money that it would take to buy him out of his contract. Again, just my view, but I think that Potter is a good coach who struggled to motivate big names and egos at Chelsea. St George's Park has been a game-changer for the national team because it shows how players can progress through continuity up the age grades. It's also meant to show progression for coaches which is why I favour Carsley or Cooper (even though he's Welsh!). While I'm all for continuity in some cases, Archie, would Carsley not be playing to the same blueprint that Southgate was? If that's the case, then I really don't fancy a continuation of that. Also, wasn't Rusk part of the England setup? If so, and especially if he's still there, I can see a pattern here and Potter would only be more of the same. We need flowing, attacking football, not more of the crap we've just been served up. I'd sooner play exciting football and go out in the quarters or semis, than get to finals playing the kind of shite we've just witnessed. Spain 1982. Brazil didn't get much further than England in that tournament, but that team is often lauded as the best team never to win a world cup - there's a reason for that. You make some great points about Howe, but that's club football, it's a different game at international level, and he should be afforded the same chance at the England job as anyone else. Who the FA will go with is pretty obvious to me (Carsley or Potter), but it's not necessarily going to be the right decision. |
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Post by dudleyhatter on Jul 18, 2024 8:59:39 GMT
Rusk is no longer in the England set up. He went to Forest last season. Carsley could be an interesting option he has worked with the players as they developed and knows what’s coming through. His knowledge of the St George’s Park system would make it easier for him to step up. Not a bad alternative to Howe.
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Post by gazz on Jul 18, 2024 9:59:51 GMT
Rusk is no longer in the England set up. He went to Forest last season. Carsley could be an interesting option he has worked with the players as they developed and knows what’s coming through. His knowledge of the St George’s Park system would make it easier for him to step up. Not a bad alternative to Howe. What style of football does he play, though, mate? That's my one major concern. I'd like to think that we're replacing Southgate, not just because he's seemingly had enough, but also because his style of football wasn't good enough to bring the success that those players should have been delivering. I do fear, however, that the FA think it was just a matter of time before Southgate brought a trophy home, and Carsley is just going to be a continuation of that. We need a change in style, though, because most of that tournament performance was f***ing bilge. |
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Post by archie on Jul 18, 2024 13:46:20 GMT
Carsley's U21s won their 2023 Euros winning all 6 matches scoring 11 conceding 0, with the final a 1-0 victory over Spain. Along the way they also beat Germany and Portugal. Although he was denied the use of senior players like Foden and Bellingham, the squad included the likes of Palmer, Gordon, Branthwaite and Gibbs-White so it's fair to say that he can handle both flair players and difficult characters.
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Post by Epworth Hatter on Jul 18, 2024 16:51:48 GMT
Why not appoint Carsley as interim and then wait until November, by which time 4 or 5 Premier League managers would have been sacked. Take your pick from them, no compensation needed.
Ange Postecoglou, anyone?
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Post by archie on Jul 18, 2024 17:06:46 GMT
Why not appoint Carsley as interim and then wait until November, by which time 4 or 5 Premier League managers would have been sacked. Take your pick from them, no compensation needed. Ange Postecoglou, anyone? Carsley turned down the Ireland job a few months back so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the contingency option that has been in place for some time. |
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Post by gazz on Jul 18, 2024 17:29:54 GMT
Carsley's U21s won their 2023 Euros winning all 6 matches scoring 11 conceding 0, with the final a 1-0 victory over Spain. Along the way they also beat Germany and Portugal. Although he was denied the use of senior players like Foden and Bellingham, the squad included the likes of Palmer, Gordon, Branthwaite and Gibbs-White so it's fair to say that he can handle both flair players and difficult characters. Southgate got us to the final of the Euros playing some of the worst football I've seen from us in recent years, but on paper it looks like he's had a blinding tournament. What kind of football does Carsley play, mate? |
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Post by dudleyhatter on Jul 18, 2024 20:53:03 GMT
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Post by gazz on Jul 18, 2024 21:29:01 GMT
Genius, Duds, and fully deserving of that title. He really was a one-off and I doubt we will ever see his like in an England shirt again. |
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Post by archie on Jul 19, 2024 8:23:03 GMT
Carsley's U21s won their 2023 Euros winning all 6 matches scoring 11 conceding 0, with the final a 1-0 victory over Spain. Along the way they also beat Germany and Portugal. Although he was denied the use of senior players like Foden and Bellingham, the squad included the likes of Palmer, Gordon, Branthwaite and Gibbs-White so it's fair to say that he can handle both flair players and difficult characters. Southgate got us to the final of the Euros playing some of the worst football I've seen from us in recent years, but on paper it looks like he's had a blinding tournament. What kind of football does Carsley play, mate? I think that he has to be flexible depending on who is available in the age group which changes from year to year. As I remember, in those Euros he had pace rather than height up front and against the better teams he used Gordon for quick breaks when they had less than 50% possession. However, in the semi against Israel they had 67% possession and 2 of the goals came from Palmer and Gibbs-White with the first not arriving until the 42nd minute so it would seem that they had to show more patience. I don't think that there's a set St George's Park way of playing or tactics. It's more that as a centre of excellence there's more opportunity for the coaches to discuss players as they progress through the age groups. |
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Post by gazz on Jul 19, 2024 8:36:40 GMT
I'd like to think that's the case, mate, but look at the talent Southgate had at his disposal and look at the football we've just served up.
I'm hoping that whoever comes in next will play to the players' strengths and, as you say, be flexible in their approach, depending on the situation. He also needs to be ruthless when it comes to recognising when established players aren't cutting it.
Southgate didn't use his options well enough, he just seemed to see his subs as a nuclear option in case plan 'A' went south. That's not why they take a squad to a tournament, but it seems like most England managers see it the same way.
Watkins should have started that Spain game, everyone but Southgate could see it wasn't working with Kane, from pretty much game one of the tournament.
The new manager better be his own man and be brave enough to make these big calls, otherwise I'm done watching the national team.
Oh, and I just want to say that 'It's coming home' needs tearing up and burning, because I'm sick of hearing it now. I never want to hear that song at a major tournament again. Leave it in the past, along with the failure of 1996 - it's getting embarrassing.
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Post by ceefer on Jul 19, 2024 17:40:36 GMT
Anyone who doesn't advocate Ruskball. Football is supposed to be entertaining; not watching paint dry.
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Post by gazz on Jul 19, 2024 17:44:52 GMT
Anyone who doesn't advocate Ruskball. Football is supposed to be entertaining; not watching paint dry. This ↑↑↑ |
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