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Post by gazz on May 20, 2016 13:25:18 GMT
Sounds like a great signing, the positivity is slowly but surely coming back to EP!
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Post by dudleyhatter on May 20, 2016 17:27:37 GMT
Thats good to know Macc, Cheers. Is it wrong though that I don't like the look of him already purely because he really really looks like a little slimy, brown nosing, back stabbing, gosh*te ar*ewipe of a man that I know have to call "boss"?? Take yourself over to the "Gary Anderson" irrational dislikes thread!
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Post by ceefer on May 20, 2016 20:55:33 GMT
Now thats better ....welcome Danny Lloyd....
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on May 20, 2016 23:13:23 GMT
another very good sounding signing. a lot of the ones last summer i didn't really have much opinion on, but most of the ones we're bringing in have done it at this level - been player of the year or captain or scored plenty of goals. that seems like it could be the way to go and i'm really pleased with what we've done so far.
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Post by bigfudge on May 22, 2016 22:22:26 GMT
Sorry for my recent absence! Been an incredibly busy week, not got a real opinion either way on Scott Duxbury but I trust Jim's judgement infinity percent! I'm also very happy with Danny Lloyd, squad list updated!
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Post by countybenno on May 23, 2016 10:22:53 GMT
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Post by binbag on May 23, 2016 11:30:01 GMT
Are we all comfortable with his history? Seems there's a few on other social media platforms who are not......
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Post by gazz on May 23, 2016 12:17:46 GMT
Are we all comfortable with his history? Seems there's a few on other social media platforms who are not...... It's a tricky one, mate. One thing I will say is that, unlike Hughes, he didn't scarper and faced the consequences of his actions. Regarding the length of his sentence, he can't be blamed for that, the system is to blame. However, my own feelings regarding our signing him are that Jim has integrity and is a decent, hard working, honest family man. If he sees fit to give him the chance then who am I to argue with him? As always, I trust his judgement.
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Post by bigfudge on May 23, 2016 12:46:55 GMT
I think, first of all, he's clearly a very talented player with tremendous pedigree and is a very good signing for the team on the face of it.
About his conviction...I certainly will not be singing his name or specifically applauding him. I will cheer his goals, I will want him to do well but knowing what he's done I could never in good conscience cheer for him and sing his name. I don't think he's on the same level as Lee Hughes as CMW wasn't drunk and he also didn't flee the scene causing further distress...he faced up to his crime and did his time (very short, but as Gazza said, that's on the system...not him).
I do trust Jim's judgement but I do admit I am a little skeptical about it.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on May 23, 2016 13:05:28 GMT
He made a mistake - and a serious one at that - aged just 18, for which he showed remorse and served his time. I would not deny him a fresh start in life on that basis.
Gazza is right about trusting our Manager, too. Jim, more than many other bosses, goes to great pains to ensure that his club recruits players with the right (actual or potential) personal, as well as professional, credentials. He will not have taken the decision to make this signing lightly.
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Post by bigfudge on May 23, 2016 13:37:25 GMT
I agree with most of the sentiments given above, however personally, I could never bring myself to specifically support 'him' knowing how I'd feel towards him if it'd have been a member of my family....this isn't at all a criticism of anyone else and those who just get over it are bigger men than me!
I will still support the club, I will go to games, I will cheer his goals and applaud his good play...but to specifically sing his name or support him is just one step I personally won't be taking.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 14:05:24 GMT
From a footballing perspective, it seems like a very good signing. He's been highly rated and played league football in the past, and even captained England Under-18s. Hopefully will add quality and physicality to the side.
Regarding his past, I can understand why some people are uncomfortable with his signing. I think he epitomises the problems surrounding young players at top clubs getting too much too soon (if anyone is interested, footage of the crash is available on Youtube but I won't post it here). There's no way an 18 year old kid who had passed his test less than 12 months ago should be driving a high powered Mercedes. What he did was stupid, but as has been previously mentioned, he wasn't drunk and didn't flee the scene of the crash - it was an absolutely massive mistake, and something that he will carry with him for the rest of his life. Whether his sentence was appropriate is debatable, but I trust Jim will have assessed his personality, and if he is humble and remorseful for his actions who are we to deny him a second chance to rebuild his career that he all but destroyed in one moment of immaturity.
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Post by halfabrownloaf on May 23, 2016 16:43:56 GMT
My sentiments entirely gts.
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Post by gazz on May 23, 2016 18:06:22 GMT
Jim, more than many other bosses, goes to great pains to ensure that his club recruits players with the right (actual or potential) personal, as well as professional, credentials. He will not have taken the decision to make this signing lightly. Regarding his past, I can understand why some people are uncomfortable with his signing. I think he epitomises the problems surrounding young players at top clubs getting too much too soon (if anyone is interested, footage of the crash is available on Youtube but I won't post it here). There's no way an 18 year old kid who had passed his test less than 12 months ago should be driving a high powered Mercedes. What he did was stupid, but as has been previously mentioned, he wasn't drunk and didn't flee the scene of the crash - it was an absolutely massive mistake, and something that he will carry with him for the rest of his life. Whether his sentence was appropriate is debatable, but I trust Jim will have assessed his personality, and if he is humble and remorseful for his actions who are we to deny him a second chance to rebuild his career that he all but destroyed in one moment of immaturity. and
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on May 23, 2016 18:34:39 GMT
agree with that summing up gts. i think there are some players who, due to their past behaviour or general demeanor, i wouldn't want to have at county. not sure he fits that bill
from one of the reports following his conviction:
"Moments before the crash, the defendant had been "jockeying" and "playing games" with a friend in a Volkswagen Golf along a nearby dual carriageway, the jury was told. Meppen-Walter jumped out of his car and tried to help the injured, waving his arms and saying: "What have I done?" Gwyn Lewis, defending, said he was "truly sorry" for what he had done. "The incident was over in a flash," said Mr Lewis. "He stayed at the scene and tried to assist but it was already too late. The probation report says he's a young man who wished he could have those 10 seconds back, but of course he can't.""
we'll have to see what sort of man he is now. at the moment though, regardless of some similarities, i don't see it like this one:
"Lee Hughes, the Premiership footballer, was jailed for six years yesterday for killing a father of four in a car crash before fleeing the scene. It spells the end of his professional career. (the telegraph getting it wrong) Hughes was seen driving "like a madman" in his £100,000 Mercedes moments before smashing head on into another car, killing Douglas Graham, 56, and leaving the driver, Albert Frisby, permanently disabled. Hughes, 28, then went on the run for 36 hours, fearing that having spent the evening drinking whisky in pubs he would have been over the legal drink-drive limit.The judge said he had shown a "callous disregard" for the four people in Mr Graham's car.
Coventry Crown Court was told that Hughes, who has a previous conviction for drink driving, had been drinking Jack Daniels and Coke before the crash last November. He was accused of drinking nine shorts before getting into his car. Immediately after the crash Hughes and Smith ran from the scene, leaving the three men he had met that night trapped in the back of his 5.5-litre car.
and just to show how people change (their offences), from 2012 "Footballer Lee Hughes was fined £500 today for putting his hand between a young woman’s legs during a hotel Christmas party and lifting her into the air. Notts County striker Hughes, 36, who did not know the woman and had not even spoken to her, pleaded guilty at Croydon Crown Court to common assault."
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