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Post by collingecounty on Apr 23, 2014 21:18:55 GMT
PS. I urge you to listen-and watch-each piece to the end. As much as I love The Lark Ascending I think Fantasy On A Theme Of a Thomas Tallis is other worldly.
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Post by gazz on Apr 23, 2014 21:53:17 GMT
I preferred the former to be honest, Collinge.
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Post by gazz on Apr 23, 2014 22:06:36 GMT
PS. I urge you to listen-and watch-each piece to the end. As much as I love The Lark Ascending I think Fantasy On A Theme Of a Thomas Tallis is other worldly. Yep, I definitely think 'The Lark Ascending' is the better piece of music, going off those two performances obviously.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Apr 23, 2014 22:23:49 GMT
I spent the day in a water park sunning myself on an England towel!
My version of patriotic singing goes like this. Ingerlan ingerlan ingerlan iiiinnngeeeerlaaaaaaan!
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2014 22:33:09 GMT
One more before midnight eh?
"Land of hope and glory. Mother of the free. How shall we extol thee. Who are born of thee. Wider still and wider, shall thy bounds be set. God who made thee mighty make thee mightier yet. God who made thee mighty make thee mightier yet."
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Post by countyfan on Apr 24, 2014 8:03:06 GMT
About 4 or 5 years ago, the people of Oldham were told they were not allowed to fly the St George cross from their houses on St Georges day in case it offend the Indian and Pakistani communities!! Are you really sure that's true? Sounds like Daily Mail b*llsh*t to me. Yes Jimbo it's true, I was born and raised in Oldham and even though I don't there now my family still does. It caused outraged when it happened. Just like the time when Oldham had a Pakistani mayor and he got road signs in the areas populated by Indian and Pakistani's to read both in English and Arabic!
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Post by jimboslovechild on Apr 24, 2014 8:49:18 GMT
I'm not looking for a fight CountyFan, just in case my tone sounds confrontational. I just think it is very hard to believe - which is probably why your family was outraged. I have tried Googling it, and nothing comes up. There is one related article that seems to contradict it: oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news/55637/patriots-praised-for-reclaiming-st-georgeHave you got any evidence apart from anecdote? It just sounds like the kind of thing people post online about "Illegal Immigrants Getting Benefits" and so on, that are usually worth substantiating. The truth is usually much happier.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 9:36:12 GMT
Brilliant!
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Post by gazz on Apr 24, 2014 10:01:27 GMT
In all fairness, JLC, (and this is not confrontational either. I just have an opinion) too many people are quick to beat it own with a 'must have read it in the Daily Mail' response. Just because you can't find any reference to it, it doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't happen. I see no reason to doubt county fan here.
This is a genuine question now. If he'd said he'd seen a group of EDL morons burning a Pakistani flag in Oldham, would you have scoured the internet looking for evidence? I don't think you would. Now that's not a direct criticism of you personally, mate, I just think we as a nation are far too quick to beat down any suggestion of xenophobia or racism coming from foreign nationals, yet when it has been suggested that it's been aimed at foreign nationals by British people it's a different story.
The biggest problem in the UK is not xenophobia, discrimination or racism, it's political correctness. Also, another thing that really pi**es me off about the whole 'racism' issue, is that it seems to be a given that's an issue of skin colour.
I'll give you an example. If you hear talk of someone not being keen on a Pakistan national moving to this country to look for work, they are branded a racist, yet when anyone mentions their concerns regarding a Polish national coming to look for work for example, he's xenophobic, now why is that?
Racism and intolerance in any form is disgusting, and should be stamped out, but it is not just an issue of black and white.
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Post by Epworth Hatter OLD account on Apr 24, 2014 10:54:58 GMT
I said 'boo' to a goose the other day. It had a brown body, a white tail and a black head. Is that allowed?
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Post by gazz on Apr 24, 2014 11:03:21 GMT
I said 'boo' to a goose the other day. It had a brown body, a white tail and a black head. Is that allowed?
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Post by gazz on Apr 24, 2014 11:51:20 GMT
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Post by jimboslovechild on Apr 24, 2014 11:53:30 GMT
I'm not really ever sure what "political correctness" means. If it just comes down to giving people the right to determine how they want to be referred to in our society, I don't see how anyone would have a problem with it. It seems to have been hijacked by Jeremy Clarkson as a catch-all term that earns him a lot of money writing articles about banana-straightening regulations that don't exist.
In any case, I actually would expect someone to be able to prove that EDL morons had been burning flags. It is because the EDL have done things like this, and we have evidence of it, that we so readily refer to them as "morons". What I basically mean is, if there isn't any evidence, it probably didn't happen. If there is some, it probably did. If the people of Oldham were really told by the local authorities that it was forbidden to fly the flag on St. George's Day, it's fair to say it would probably have been documented somewhere. If it did happen, it's ridiculous. If it didn't, there's no need to worry: The people of Oldham can sleep easily in their beds.
I agree with you that labels get thrown around, used incorrectly, and eventually lose meaning, but that's part of how language works: It's a tool for moving ideas from one space to another, and it is not even close to 100% effective (see this post). The idea is what matters, and as you rightly say, bigoted ideas and prejudice should be called out and made to look embarrassing for the exact reason that they are based on a way of looking at the world that ignores the need to back up what you say with evidence. Basically, I think this is a case of "black or white" (not a race pun): Either they were told not to show their flags, or they weren't. I find it hard to believe, but if I'm happy to change my mind if someone shows me some proof.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 12:04:03 GMT
Or you could find the Daily Mail article?
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Post by jimboslovechild on Apr 24, 2014 12:07:27 GMT
Does the burden of proof work the other way around in Oz?
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