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Post by gazz on Apr 9, 2020 6:41:20 GMT
UK coronavirus lockdown 'to be extended beyond next week' Ministers voice concern Easter weekend could see change in public behaviour www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/uk-covid-19-lockdown-to-be-extended-beyond-next-weekWell get the bloody Army out on the streets and get martial law in place for the duration, because I'm sick to f***ing death of these selfish, pig-headed tw##s thinking it's not going to affect them so "let's have a BBQ". I've got neighbours here going in each others' houses, with some of them having toddlers in the house - it beggars f***ing belief. This has all stemmed from the government, not only failing to act when they were told to do so two weeks earlier, but also failing to stamp down their authority and ensure the public were under no illusions regarding what was expected of them. Johnson's claims of doing the right things at the right times is pure f***ing bullsh*t. His passive attitude was akin to him being told there were burglars operating near his home, but instead of locking all his Windows and doors straight away, he thought "they've got loads of other houses to do before they get to mine, I'll do it later". I'm tired of people saying you can't criticise him as he's got it now, but he's only got himself to blame for that - this is all on him and his own failings as the leader of this country. Get the lockdown more strict and stop ANY unnecessary journeys, including jogs and walks. If people don't like it - tough sh*t. Because I'M doing what I'm told and as much as I don't like it, as much as it's breaking my heart not being able to get to Stockport to see my kids and my family, I know it's for the greater good and is the ONLY way to beat this thing - PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING FOR f***s SAKE!
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Post by gazz on Apr 9, 2020 8:12:38 GMT
I know I'm going on a bit here, but I've still not ground this axe anywhere near enough.
Another thing that f***ing grates me is that I'm hearing and reading stories regarding elderly patients having the DNR choice being made for them, as hospital equipment is allegedly needed for younger people with a better chance of survival.
I don't know how true this is, but if it is, then those ignorant c***s still going out partying, gathering on the beaches, gathering in the f***ing parks, could end up taking that equipment from someone's elderly loved one when their supreme f***ing ignorance finally catches up with them.
If that elderly patient even has a one percent chance of making it, f*** the young, ignorant b*st*rd - I know who I'd rather see get that equipment.
If that's seen as offensive, I don't give a f*** - these b*st*rds have been warned time and time again and still think they're above this. They're putting all those phenomenally dedicated NHS workers at even more risk for even longer, but I bet they're round at each others' houses every Thursday letting fireworks off applauding them.
I've had enough of my fellow Brit and, as bad as it is for Duds and his fellow citizens out there in Spain, I still think he made the right call in leaving this place behind him.
I'm not apologising for venting my spleen, because I've still got to go to work during this pandemic, risking MY life every time I go in there. These ignorant f***s are putting ME at risk, while I'm having to go out and help keep at least one wheel turning in this country.
Selfish? f***ing right it is, because I've been observing the rules and I don't deserve to f***ing die, nor do my kids deserve to lose their Dad, parents to lose their son, nephews and nieces to lose their uncle or my siblings to lose their brother.
If you're reading this and you're one of those f*** heads ignoring the lockdown - when it finally affects you, suck it up, because you only have yourself to blame.
This thread is for airing your frustrations and, after nearly six weeks of not seeing ANY of my family, I'm now looking forward to at least another six without seeing them, because of this government and the stupid b*st*rds who are ignoring them.
If you don't like what I'm posting and you don't like my language, don't read it - I've had enough now and it's time to hit these morons hard.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Apr 9, 2020 10:07:45 GMT
About three years ago our neighbours a couple in their early sixties decided to move to a smaller place. They found a cash buyer who was buying it for their daughter...
Suffice to say that she was the living embodiment of all that could be classed as chav. From the roots of her bleach blonde hair to her oversized four by four vía her slobbering barking beast and leopard print everything including doormat she oozed chav from every cannabis joint that wafted over the fence. I hope I paint a clear enough picture.
Anyway to get to my main point you will never guess who had a garden party last weekend, that go so out of control that cars got smashed up and the police had to be called...
I know who I’d want treated last...
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Post by gazz on Apr 9, 2020 10:18:47 GMT
About three years ago our neighbours a couple in their early sixties decided to move to a smaller place. They found a cash buyer who was buying it for their daughter... Suffice to say that she was the living embodiment of all that could be classed as chav. From the roots of her bleach blonde hair to her oversized four by four vía her slobbering barking beast and leopard print everything including doormat she oozed chav from every cannabis joint that wafted over the fence. I hope I paint a clear enough picture. Anyway to get to my main point you will never guess who had a garden party last weekend, that go so out of control that cars got smashed up and the police had to be called... I know who I’d want treated last... This, mate ^^^ is the second biggest disease in this country. It's the likes of us that are keeping the economy going, while these pond life are probably sat at home 'isolating' and posting on Facebook and retweeting to "stay home and stay safe" - when these utter scumbags are the biggest COVID-19 enablers out there. It's bad for you right now, mate, but you've made the right decision to get out of here - I sincerely hope it gets better soon for you over there. What an absolute sick joke this place has become.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Apr 9, 2020 11:19:44 GMT
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Post by gazz on Apr 9, 2020 11:30:54 GMT
I've sworn enough today to last me many lifetimes, matey, so I'll keep my discipline now and let the above emoji say it all for me.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Apr 9, 2020 11:32:34 GMT
Have just done some maths, and added an extra para. That will REALLY test any emoji!
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Apr 9, 2020 11:38:29 GMT
Meanwhile, a little further away in the North West, and on a smaller scale, but no less imbecilic...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 11:40:03 GMT
I suspect that the point about enforcing the lockdown, or not as the case may be goes to the fact that the Government remains more concerned about public opinion than anything else. It knows that public opinion is something that it can control and if anyone thinks otherwise consider the following. How many times have you heard Gordon Brown blamed for the financial crash of 2008/09? The cause of the crash was the collapse of Lehmann Brothers Bank in the US which caused a domino effect amongst the rest of the western world's banks who to a greater or lesser degree were following the same casino business model in which long-term risk assessment was replaced by the desire for short-term profit. If Alastair Darling, the then Labour Chancellor had not stepped in British Banks were within hours of running out of cash, literally. You would have gone to a cash dispenser and not have been able to use it, it was that bad. A minor functionary left a note in the new Chancellor's office stating "There's no money left", an old "in" joke (first left by an outgoing Government in the 1950's) and one frequently left for the new Chancellor to find on his first day in the job. It takes a very special kind of b*st*rd to use that, magnify it into something that it wasn't and use it for political gain. That b*st*rd was George Osborne, a man benefitting from a huge offshore trust fund, held out of reach of HMRC who manipulated public opinion, aided and abetted by a compliant right-wing press into believing that he and his austerity policies were the only thing between us and national bankruptcy. Claims of potential national bankruptcy were an outright lie. No country maintaining control over its own currency can become bankrupt, ever. Cash runs short, print some more. There are downsides, principally inflation but to claim that the country was on the verge of bankruptcy was utter fiction. The next issue then became how to sell some of the most savage cuts in public spending to public opinion. With the help of a compliant press, the Government developed the idea of the deserving and undeserving poor. Anyone with anything beyond a passing interest in 19th century history would have recognised a meme developed in Victorian times in which pious, self-righteousness became the norm along with the idea that some poor people deserve everything they get, the strivers/shirkers argument that so many still resort to today and espoused so loudly by Osbourne and Cameron. The ultimate piece of scapegoating of course was reserved for the EU. And the Government didn't need to encourage that. By pandering to the nasties on the extremes of his party Cameron, despite an expensive education utterly wasted on the moron, hadn't got the native wit to realise that once you stir nationalism, you've lost control. The press whipped up a frenzy of accusations about foreigners "nicking our jobs" and that, even though palpably untrue, was that. Public opinion was swayed. If anymore evidence is required look at the way public opinion was manipulated against Jeremy Corbyn. Despite political views more closely aligned to European social democracy he was held up as some sort of hideous reincarnation of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot combined rather than merely a political nobody completely lacking in the kind of management skills that would have prevented the anti-Semitism issue to get out of control. And onto the present crisis. I suspect that the Government has a scapegoat already. He's called Matt Hancock and if you think Cameron was a bit dim this fellow is the village idiot. His goose was cooked from the moment he made promises that could never be fulfilled but as far as manipulating public opinion is concerned, that has already started... www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus...and will continue to gather pace. The Government will be desperate to hide the truth behind why, despite knowing about this sh*tshow in early January they did nothing, and I mean nothing about it. In fact Johnson, with all the casual insouciance of those born never to have to strive for anything was blithely telling anyone who still listens to the gobsh*te that he'd been shaking hands with everyone he'd met because it really was something of nothing. What a tw@ and while I wouldn't wish ill health on anyone, sympathy? f*** off!
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Post by gazz on Apr 9, 2020 14:02:42 GMT
I suspect that the point about enforcing the lockdown, or not as the case may be goes to the fact that the Government remains more concerned about public opinion than anything else. It knows that public opinion is something that it can control and if anyone thinks otherwise consider the following. How many times have you heard Gordon Brown blamed for the financial crash of 2008/09? The cause of the crash was the collapse of Lehmann Brothers Bank in the US which caused a domino effect amongst the rest of the western world's banks who were to a greater or lesser degree were following the same casino business model in which long-term risk assessment was replaced by the desire for short-term profit. If Alastair Darling, the then Labour Chancellor had not stepped in British Banks were within hours of running out of cash, literally. You would have gone to a cash dispenser and not have been able to use it, it was that bad. A minor functionary left a note in the new Chancellor's office stating "There's no money left", an old "in" joke (first left by an outgoing Government in the 1950's) and one frequently left for the new Chancellor to find on his first day in the job. It takes a very special kind of b*st*rd to use that, magnify it into something that it wasn't and use it for political gain. That b*st*rd was George Osborne, a man benefitting from a huge offshore trust fund, held out of reach of HMRC who manipulated public opinion, aided and abetted by a compliant right-wing press into believing that he and his austerity policies were the only thing between us and national bankruptcy. Claims of potential national bankruptcy were an outright lie. No country maintaining control over its own currency can become bankrupt, ever. Cash runs short, print some more. There are downsides, principally inflation but to claim that the country was on the verge of bankruptcy was utter fiction. The next issue then became how to sell some of the most savage cuts in public spending to public opinion. With the help of a compliant press, the Government developed the idea of the deserving and undeserving poor. Anyone with anything beyond a passing interest in 19th century history would have recognised a meme developed in Victorian times in which pious, self-righteousness became the norm along with the idea that some poor people deserve everything they get, the strivers/shirkers argument that so many still resort to today and espoused so loudly by Osbourne and Cameron. The ultimate piece of scapegoating of course was reserved for the EU. And the Government didn't need to encourage that. By pandering to the nasties on the extremes of his party Cameron, mostly because, despite an expensive education utterly wasted on the moron, hadn't got the native wit to realise that once you stir nationalism, you've lost control. The press whipped up a frenzy of accusations about foreigners "nicking our jobs" and that, even though palpably untrue, was that. Public opinion was swayed. If anymore evidence is required look at the way public opinion was manipulated against Jeremy Corbyn. Despite political views more closely aligned to European social democracy he was held up as some sort of hideous reincarnation of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot combined rather than a political nobody completely lacking in the kind of management skills that allowed the anti-Semitism issue to get out of control that he actually is. And onto the present crisis. I suspect that the Government has a scapegoat already. He's called Matt Hancock and if you think Cameron was a bit dim this fellow is the village idiot. His goose was cooked from the moment he made promises that could never be fulfilled but as far as manipulating public opinion is concerned, that has already started... www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus...and will continue to gather pace. The Government will be desperate to hide the truth behind why, despite knowing about this sh*tshow in early January they did nothing, and I mean nothing about it. In fact Johnson, with all the casual insouciance of those born never to have to strive for anything was blithely telling anyone who still listens to the gobsh*te that he'd been shaking hands with everyone he'd met because it really was something of nothing. What a tw@ and while I wouldn't wish ill health on anyone, sympathy? f*** off! Class, mate, pure class!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 15:08:30 GMT
I suspect that the point about enforcing the lockdown, or not as the case may be goes to the fact that the Government remains more concerned about public opinion than anything else. It knows that public opinion is something that it can control and if anyone thinks otherwise consider the following. How many times have you heard Gordon Brown blamed for the financial crash of 2008/09? The cause of the crash was the collapse of Lehmann Brothers Bank in the US which caused a domino effect amongst the rest of the western world's banks who were to a greater or lesser degree were following the same casino business model in which long-term risk assessment was replaced by the desire for short-term profit. If Alastair Darling, the then Labour Chancellor had not stepped in British Banks were within hours of running out of cash, literally. You would have gone to a cash dispenser and not have been able to use it, it was that bad. A minor functionary left a note in the new Chancellor's office stating "There's no money left", an old "in" joke (first left by an outgoing Government in the 1950's) and one frequently left for the new Chancellor to find on his first day in the job. It takes a very special kind of b*st*rd to use that, magnify it into something that it wasn't and use it for political gain. That b*st*rd was George Osborne, a man benefitting from a huge offshore trust fund, held out of reach of HMRC who manipulated public opinion, aided and abetted by a compliant right-wing press into believing that he and his austerity policies were the only thing between us and national bankruptcy. Claims of potential national bankruptcy were an outright lie. No country maintaining control over its own currency can become bankrupt, ever. Cash runs short, print some more. There are downsides, principally inflation but to claim that the country was on the verge of bankruptcy was utter fiction. The next issue then became how to sell some of the most savage cuts in public spending to public opinion. With the help of a compliant press, the Government developed the idea of the deserving and undeserving poor. Anyone with anything beyond a passing interest in 19th century history would have recognised a meme developed in Victorian times in which pious, self-righteousness became the norm along with the idea that some poor people deserve everything they get, the strivers/shirkers argument that so many still resort to today and espoused so loudly by Osbourne and Cameron. The ultimate piece of scapegoating of course was reserved for the EU. And the Government didn't need to encourage that. By pandering to the nasties on the extremes of his party Cameron, mostly because, despite an expensive education utterly wasted on the moron, hadn't got the native wit to realise that once you stir nationalism, you've lost control. The press whipped up a frenzy of accusations about foreigners "nicking our jobs" and that, even though palpably untrue, was that. Public opinion was swayed. If anymore evidence is required look at the way public opinion was manipulated against Jeremy Corbyn. Despite political views more closely aligned to European social democracy he was held up as some sort of hideous reincarnation of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot combined rather than a political nobody completely lacking in the kind of management skills that allowed the anti-Semitism issue to get out of control that he actually is. And onto the present crisis. I suspect that the Government has a scapegoat already. He's called Matt Hancock and if you think Cameron was a bit dim this fellow is the village idiot. His goose was cooked from the moment he made promises that could never be fulfilled but as far as manipulating public opinion is concerned, that has already started... www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus...and will continue to gather pace. The Government will be desperate to hide the truth behind why, despite knowing about this sh*tshow in early January they did nothing, and I mean nothing about it. In fact Johnson, with all the casual insouciance of those born never to have to strive for anything was blithely telling anyone who still listens to the gobsh*te that he'd been shaking hands with everyone he'd met because it really was something of nothing. What a tw@ and while I wouldn't wish ill health on anyone, sympathy? f*** off! Class, mate, pure class! No mate, this is class Everyone should listen to this
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Post by gazz on Apr 9, 2020 16:17:45 GMT
No mate, this is class Everyone should listen to this I switched off when the Queen piped up, because when it comes to puppets, I prefer Punch & Judy myself.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Apr 9, 2020 17:58:02 GMT
yeah i watched that on newsnight last night. very good piece.
i was going to post the manchester parties thing. i was already annoyed when i was reading it, but it's hard not to give up at 'bouncy castle'. the police should have tased said inflatable, swiftly followed by whoever booked it, and whoever supplied it. one of those where you just don't really know what to say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 19:21:59 GMT
Just in case anybody should be concerned that I was a little less sympathetic than I ought to be about Johnson having contracted Covid-19, read this. It's a speech he gave early in February, at a time when the Government knew what was heading in our direction.
"Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.
Now it barely keeps pace and global growth is itself anaemic and the decline in global poverty is beginning to slow.
And in that context, we are starting to hear some bizarre autarkic rhetoric, when barriers are going up, and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other.
And here in Greenwich in the first week of February 2020, I can tell you in all humility that the UK is ready for that role".
It's worth reading this carefully because what he said was that trade and commerce are a higher priority than coronavirus, not least because the way this is turning out it has the potential to make Brexit, never better than risky, look like economic suicide.
He clearly stated that isolation (autarky) was a bizarre reaction to Covid-19 (although the myopic clown clearly hasn't been paying attention to Trump, a protectionist, and he said the UK would stand against what he called such irrationality.
We are now paying a massive price for that because Johnson's Government locked down too late, when far too many already had Covid-19, with which they have now infected their families, amongst others.
Because we locked down too late when too many already had coronavirus our death rate is still rising when in other countries - the USA apart, who suffered this same delayed reaction - it is falling and their stats are almost certainly more reliable than unlike ours.
And Johnson himself got it.
As Maitlis pointed out on Newsnight, don't believe the guff spouted about how Johnson's "spirit" in the face of adversity is saving him from this virus. It was his political belief that led us to suffer this crisis more severely than we needed in the first place and he can't deny it. Those opinions are on record and at some point, always assuming that the new leader of the opposition can be dragged away from apologising for Corbyn's leadership he has to be held to account for them now he's getting better and on the way to making a full recovery. So sympathy? Got none, none at all. He'll survive it, unlike thousands of others.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Apr 12, 2020 16:23:24 GMT
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