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Post by archie on Oct 16, 2022 9:49:49 GMT
Hopefully Labour are noting the completely foreseeable disastrous consequences of giving party members the final say in leadership elections.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Oct 16, 2022 10:12:25 GMT
Unfortunately, the PLP is led by people who are somewhat removed from the founding principles of the party. The idea that a Labour leader can distance himself from the interests of the unions is fairly grotesque, particularly since those same unions fund the party.
I was no supporter of Corbyn. He remains what he's always been imo, a political nobody whose achievements, despite a lengthy parliamentary career amount to the thick end of damn all with few management skills as a result of his penchant for ploughing his own furrow.
His political views however are different. He is not a communist, a maoist or any of the other types of "ist" that the hysterical political right liked to falsely accuse him of. His views were largely social democratic, of the type found in the more prosperous European and Scandinavian countries. That's why he was, and remains so popular amongst many in the Labour membership.
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Post by archie on Oct 17, 2022 10:04:53 GMT
While it's an admirable sentiment, we have a parliamentary democracy and any party leader who is not supported by his/her MPs will fall in short order. Apart from anything else, there was a damaging stasis in government while Johnson was sulking in Downing Street and the Tory members were having endless hustings before voting exactly as they would have done 6 weeks earlier. Party members can select (and deselect) parliamentary candidates and that's exactly where their job is done. We have ample evidence that the founding principles are no longer relevant to most people and it's only when the Tories move too far to the right that there is a relative rise in left wing sympathy. Foot and Corbyn were unelectable to the huge numbers who see themselves in the centre ground of political opinion.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Oct 17, 2022 17:08:36 GMT
While it's an admirable sentiment, we have a parliamentary democracy and any party leader who is not supported by his/her MPs will fall in short order. Apart from anything else, there was a damaging stasis in government while Johnson was sulking in Downing Street and the Tory members were having endless hustings before voting exactly as they would have done 6 weeks earlier. Party members can select (and deselect) parliamentary candidates and that's exactly where their job is done. We have ample evidence that the founding principles are no longer relevant to most people and it's only when the Tories move too far to the right that there is a relative rise in left wing sympathy. Foot and Corbyn were unelectable to the huge numbers who see themselves in the centre ground of political opinion. Let me amend your comment slightly, "We have ample evidence that the founding principles are no longer relevant to most people...." until they are. They are as relevant today as they have always been and they will remain relevant for as long as people live in poverty, as long as people die whilst on the longest waiting lists in NHS history, as long as they live on barely regulated substandard housing and they'll continue to be relevant as long as people who have happily voted for the Tories for years suddenly find out that it isn't just the poorest in society that are picking up the tab for their tax cuts but they are themselves now expected to cough up because the party that they keep returning to power couldn't actually give a flying f*** about them. Just listening to Isaac describing the screeching U-turn he's just performed turned my stomach. One nation Tories! Wtaf is a one nation Tory? That's how Cameron defined himself and where did that get us? An economy so f***ed up, even the bloody Telegraph has questioned whether those who until recently they accused of pedalling "project fear", were right. Challenging the Labour Party to support his public spending cuts! Why should they support yet another Tory charlatan who is now in the business of imposing yet more austerity, this time to pay for the sheer nasty incompetence of this bunch of shallow, vacuous zealots. No, you're wrong. The founding values of the Labour Party are as valid today as they've always been and, given the sh*t-show we're about to witness, we're going to need them.
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Post by ceefer on Oct 17, 2022 20:14:29 GMT
Truss and the lot of them should do one without delay.
How dare you play around with ill thought out blundering economic experiments causing untold misery to Joe public.
I really pity anyone with a mortgage or anyone trying to buy or sell a house.
And she took 4 questions at the news conference and today didn't even turn up to PMQ ...an absolute disgrace.
And as for Hunt - remember how he singlehandedly caused widespread demotivation for NHS doctors and nurses.
I thought Johnson was bad but.......
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Post by hermannsays on Oct 17, 2022 20:23:46 GMT
Today was about as bizarre as I can remember. Mordaunt the night-watchman as Truss was otherwise engaged (turns out with Brady), only for Truss to arrive and take her seat just as Hunt was about to speak. Truss sat silent and looking very odd. I think the last stage of this premiership is that Mark McGhee advises her to switch her wingers over and see if that works.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Oct 18, 2022 4:17:20 GMT
Today was about as bizarre as I can remember. Mordaunt the night-watchman as Truss was otherwise engaged (turns out with Brady), only for Truss to arrive and take her seat just as Hunt was about to speak. Truss sat silent and looking very odd. I think the last stage of this premiership is that Mark McGhee advises her to switch her wingers over and see if that works. It seems reasonable to assume that Brady was lecturing her on where authority currently resides, that is, with Hunt who is now de facto Prime Minister. Lest we forget, Isaac is a man who now has two failed leadership bids to his name, during the second of which only a couple of months ago a whole 18 of his fellow MP's supported him leaving him 8th of 8 candidates! And so, the Tory clown show rolls on as they continue to treat the country with utter contempt, almost as though it is their personal property to do with as they see fit.
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Post by ceefer on Oct 19, 2022 20:57:52 GMT
Watched PMQ today and it was embarrassing. Tory MPs getting up to say we should congratulate Leigh centurions rugby league team from winning something. Do they prime their MPs to comment on this type of irrelevance to eat up time and deflect from the more important pressing matters of their government crashing the economy.
Starmer was on form. Mortgages were mentioned. No comment on Truss but the sooner she goes the better. The good news is Bravermann or whatever she is called is out.
Next out should be R-M. It says a lot about a PM who would even give him the time of day let alone put him in the cabinet.
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Post by gazz on Oct 20, 2022 13:17:22 GMT
I'm sure Cloughie would have had something to say about Truss' 44 days in charge and argue that his 44 days at Leeds was worse!
This country needs a general election now, what a f***ing mess.
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Post by woznorthyorksexile on Oct 20, 2022 13:21:24 GMT
I'm sure Cloughie would have had something to say about Truss' 44 days in charge and argue that his 44 days at Leeds was worse! This country needs a general election now, what a f***ing mess. You beat me to it mate however, I was going to say that she was in the job for a shorter period than Darije Kalezic. There are distinct similarities, both clueless clowns put into the role by f**kwits!
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Post by gazz on Oct 20, 2022 13:26:56 GMT
I'm sure Cloughie would have had something to say about Truss' 44 days in charge and argue that his 44 days at Leeds was worse! This country needs a general election now, what a f***ing mess. You beat me to it mate however, I was going to say that she was in the job for a shorter period than Darije Kalezic. There are distinct similarities, both clueless clowns put into the role by f**kwits! The question now is: Who's next?
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Post by archie on Oct 20, 2022 14:26:21 GMT
I'm sure Cloughie would have had something to say about Truss' 44 days in charge and argue that his 44 days at Leeds was worse! This country needs a general election now, what a f***ing mess. The damned disunited?
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Oct 20, 2022 14:37:23 GMT
I'm sure Cloughie would have had something to say about Truss' 44 days in charge and argue that his 44 days at Leeds was worse! He went on to be more successful and fondly remembered, though. Can't imagine her ever achieving office or respect of any description after this.
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Post by gazz on Oct 20, 2022 15:09:50 GMT
I'm sure Cloughie would have had something to say about Truss' 44 days in charge and argue that his 44 days at Leeds was worse! This country needs a general election now, what a f***ing mess. The damned disunited? Brilliant, mate - take a bow!
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Post by gazz on Oct 21, 2022 16:16:59 GMT
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