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Post by sandbachhatter on Jan 28, 2021 9:33:39 GMT
Until this week I had never heard of Simon Rusk (which, I suspect, is true of 99.9% of County fans), so he has done absolutely nothing, yet, to warrant anything but my full support and best wishes. The same goes for Dave Conlon. Those two gentlemen are the only two among the management and board, presently, who I wish every success to at our football club.
Of course, the above statement may change over time, but I fear it's far more likely that my support for Simon Rusk wanes, rather than any affection for our owners blossoms.
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Post by archie on Jan 28, 2021 11:56:00 GMT
I'm broadly in agreement with NYE here.
Firstly, it has to be said that the club appear to have handled it very clumsily and that Jim is a club legend who should always be welcome back at EP.
However, I obviously wasn't the only one who wondered at the time how Jim would react to working with/under a Director of Football. Am I right that he briefly held that post himself in an earlier spell? We all knew and accepted that it was his way or the highway. He was superb at polishing the raw gems found by Alan Lord and others but it's been apparent that the new acquisitions are Wilson's men. There was the incident at Torquay where the club seemed to side with Jim but it looks like Hartlepool was the tipping point. Clearly there has been a major row between Jim and Wilson and/or a group of 'senior' players which has made it inevitable that one or the other would lose out and, sadly, that was always going to be Jim.
In many ways it's a rerun of Danny Bergara leaving the club with the owner believing that he's taken the club as far as he can. I'm sure that Elwood would say that the success under Dave Jones justified the event if not the manner of it happening. As supporters we can either up sticks and go somewhere else or get behind the new team (with or without reservation). Neither path is right or wrong.
It's very sad how things have turned out but without knowing the full facts I can only repeat that it seems clumsy at best. I wish the best of luck to Jim wherever he ends up and to Simon Rusk in his new role.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Jan 28, 2021 12:28:48 GMT
The appointment of a Director of Football is always going to raise tensions at the training ground.
Blimey, he's there to direct the football (clue in the name). Whether that works alongside existing managers is debatable, I think I would have been fairly hacked off in my job if a "director of teaching" was brought in the school.
I am not a big favourite of the job (or the title). Managers manage, and that should mean tactics, player recruitment, training sessions and team selections. Delegation is to people below manager status not shipped in powerhouses (with "connections).
I truly hope Rusk and McGhee are given time to settle into the job by the fans and the owners. Change for change sake can be costly and detrimental to form and progress.
Jim obviously had his sixpenn'th to say and it cost him the job. Will be interesting to see if he calls it a day or pops up anywhere else (like ................ Wrexham ?).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:00:09 GMT
A large part of Jim's managerial success has been achieved at non-league clubs, including County and Northwich Vics. The great escape? Nine in a row? Missing out on the playoffs by a whisker the season after the great escape? Going up at Wembley in the playoffs the season after? Then admin cut short his progress. Not to mention the talent he nurtured to go on to excellent careers elsewhere. Sorry, Yorks, but you've got that wrong. Missing out on the play offs isn't success. The great escape and 9 in a row are local success stories but promotion? He reached the play-offs with Northwich Vics as well as County, more promotion and play-offs with non - league clubs than league clubs, in other words, a large part. I'm not disputing that the entire affair has been dismally handled and without any apparent consideration for the obvious fallout from the fans but then I doubt that there is any good way to deal with dismissal.
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Post by countyfan on Jan 28, 2021 13:50:22 GMT
I hope BT have Jim in the studio a week on Saturday!! Would love to hear what he says!!
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Jan 28, 2021 13:50:46 GMT
Blimey, have they taken over now? 'How Long Will This Last'...?!
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Jan 28, 2021 13:54:18 GMT
I'll wish you good luck because I love County and want to see the team do well on the pitch and get back to playing league football, but it's like splitting up with your missus of 5 years and seeing her walking around the week later with a new fella!! I'm still not over the break up and time will be the healer. Let's just hope she doesn't turn into a sl*g and get a new fella every 6 months now!! Analogy of the year so far!
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Post by gazz on Jan 28, 2021 14:23:11 GMT
The great escape? Nine in a row? Missing out on the playoffs by a whisker the season after the great escape? Going up at Wembley in the playoffs the season after? Then admin cut short his progress. Not to mention the talent he nurtured to go on to excellent careers elsewhere. Sorry, Yorks, but you've got that wrong. Missing out on the play offs isn't success. The great escape and 9 in a row are local success stories but promotion? He reached the play-offs with Northwich Vics as well as County, more promotion and play-offs with non - league clubs than league clubs, in other words, a large part. Stop being awkward, mate, we nearly fell out of the league 12 months earlier. If you're going to play about with the 'success' thing, playoffs isn't really a success if you don't win them, surely? So by your logic he's surely equally successful in both non-league and League? Which blows your "large part" statement clean out of the window. Unless you're going to claim that the Cheshire senior cup is a barometer for success? I don't myself. Success is relative anyway. We were in freefall in 2005 and he came in and turned that right on its head. That is success in my book.
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Post by gazz on Jan 28, 2021 14:31:56 GMT
It's amazing how people can put this shitshow behind them so readily, staggering, even.
Jim Gannon has been sh*t on, from a great height, yet here you are arguing over f***ing statistics, Yorks.
It'll take me more than seven f***ing days to get over what these new lot have done to Jim. It shouldn't have been "handled" at all, it shouldn't have ever been a thing to handle in the first f***ing place.
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Post by sandbachhatter on Jan 28, 2021 15:13:56 GMT
I'll wish you good luck because I love County and want to see the team do well on the pitch and get back to playing league football, but it's like splitting up with your missus of 5 years and seeing her walking around the week later with a new fella!! I'm still not over the break up and time will be the healer. Let's just hope she doesn't turn into a sl*g and get a new fella every 6 months now!! Analogy of the year so far! Surely this analogy will only be accurate once we see Jim at another club?! It's more like splitting up with your missus, then realising the woman you replaced her with is nowhere near as pretty and has very little experience in the bedroom!
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Post by ceefer on Jan 28, 2021 16:14:44 GMT
Analogy of the year so far! Surely this analogy will only be accurate once we see Jim at another club?! It's more like splitting up with your missus, then realising the woman you replaced her with is nowhere near as pretty and has very little experience in the bedroom! Am I allowed to say she might be a great cook?
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Post by aerohatter on Jan 28, 2021 16:15:47 GMT
I agree with Gazz. How little time has passed but as were all quoting relationships, I guess we all have to move on. Yes it's not Simon Rusk's fault, he's only trying to get on in management. But the club cannot wait & train him how to work with a First Team. We need a manager who has the wealth of experience now that can get the club out of this league as I think it's one of the hardest. Also, why was the worst kept secret released prior to the clubs statement. How embarrassing. I for one don't always get the Director of Football role. I certainly don't think we need it at our level no matter what the clubs ambition in getting back to a higher level. There's always conflicts between the Manager & DofF. I'd like to know what value for money Simon Wilson has provided since coming to this club. John Rooney came to this club because he knew his aspirations would be fulfilled better at SC than else where not on the say of Simon Wilson. Whoever are at the centre of this debacle, are in the words of Irish Hatter "cute hoor's".
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Post by hermannsays on Jan 28, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
I hope BT have Jim in the studio a week on Saturday!! Would love to hear what he says!! That their pundits talk cr*p (as per a post-match interview)!
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Post by gazz on Jan 28, 2021 20:38:41 GMT
I'd like to know what value for money Simon Wilson has provided since coming to this club. So far, he's cost the owner Jim's payoff, brought in an untried manager on a three and a half year contract, plus added an extra salary on top of that for McGhee - it's going to take promotion this season to get anywhere near justifying that! I know Stott can probably afford it, but I don't think he made his fortune by chucking money away left, right and centre! As said by a poster over on YB, Wilson has now put himself in the firing line as these are HIS signings, so there's no hiding place for him if it goes wrong. I still can't get away from thinking that he's just another bullshit merchant like McKnight, but I seriously hope I'm wrong.
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Post by ceefer on Jan 31, 2021 14:59:58 GMT
It can't be bad in your first 'proper' managerial appointment to inherit a team who are 4th in the league with 2 games in hand and who have been coached by a manager with an excellent playing and managerial record. With the team where they are now it's promotion or bust and he will be judged on that. I'll reserve judgement until then. There's no reason why he should fail considering the resources he has at his disposal.
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