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Post by gazz on Aug 2, 2019 10:56:13 GMT
It's too late, mate, it's too f***ing late. You know that saying in F1, it's something along the lines of 'if a driver has to think about taking a corner then it's too late' - climate change is one such corner. We may be able to slow it down to some degree, but I honestly believe that our chance to stop it has come and gone. With f*** head deniers like Trump in power, we're not even going to be able to slow it down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 12:25:52 GMT
This problem is further deepened when you consider that even if as individuals we all do our bit it won’t matter as the biggest contributors to climate change are big business and agriculture and no one in any government will stand up to them. They are all too selfish to realise that their greed is destroying our planet. But there is more to doing your bit than shopping locally sourced food, switching the heating down, etc. Anybody with a pension probably has some of their pension fund tied up in investments in carbon extraction, aerospace or electricity generating industries. The point I was probably making is that as long as there are people sniping from the side lines by people, and by people I mean largely the political right who, for a variety of different reasons wish to maintain the current state of affairs and their cheerleaders in the press there will always be those who doubt although anybody with an even mildly enquiring mind should no longer be in any doubt, and no pressure will be brought to bear. I have just left a business whose owner wants his business certified against the Environmental Standard ISO14001. I was writing the management system until I reached the point where I couldn't put up with the bullsh*tter any longer as he merely looked on it as an exercise in ticking boxes. He had no more intention of taking it seriously than I have of becoming a f***ing Stretford supporter. One of the requirements of the standard is for such certified businesses to set targets to reduce their environmental impact. He didn't understand it, didn't want to understand it and had no intention of acting on the requirement. No surprise then that he had a similar attitude to the Health and Safety Standard as well and he is not alone. I've encountered many such managers along the way, frequently ignorant with a management style lifted straight out of the fifties all they can see is the bottom line and it's only when that is effected can they be persuaded to act.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 16:58:31 GMT
Maybe the world is just following a natural path and us mere humans make only the slightest difference?
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Post by gazz on Aug 2, 2019 17:03:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 17:26:34 GMT
Our earth has been around for 4.5 billion years, at various temperatures. Our arrogance makes us believe we could affect it in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 18:25:04 GMT
I know little of the science behind climate change but I'm happy to believe the opinions of those who do, namely the estimated 99% of scientists involved in researching it. The idea put forward by deniers that they are all in it for the research grants is risible. Do we think that the minority on the other side of the argument are doing it out of the kindness of their philanthropic hearts or do we think they like the estimated $130 million the Koch brothers have thrown at it since the late 90's? Other major donors to the "science" of denial is the Mercer Foundation and Exxon, until recently one of the worlds worst polluters. That is probably just the tip of the shrinking iceberg. Like much else in politics these days, much of the money is of very shady provenance.
There is no doubt that the planet's climate has changed substantially over the millenia. The problem is that many of the causes can be traced and took hundreds of years to change one way or the other. What seems clear from the evidence is that the current changes are happening over a very short period and mounting evidence suggests it's the crap we're putting into the atmosphere.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Aug 2, 2019 19:07:13 GMT
probably just the tip of the shrinking iceberg. many of the causes can be traced and took hundreds of years to change one way or the other. for the first line.
the top ten hottest years in britain since records began (in order): 2014; 2006; 2011; 2007; 2017; 2003; 2018; 2004; 2002; and 2005.
a little worrying that they all start with a '2'. the most recent of the ten coldest years was 1963, but most were in the 19th century.
presumably that carrot skinned c*** just thinks it's coincidence.
did you see the footage on the news of people canoeing down the street in bramall? f***ing BUXTON had flooding... there have always been unusual weather events, but they have mostly been outliers. on the one hand, aggressive deforestation, petrochemical industry, beaches on remote islands covered in flip flops, plastic bottles and the assorted detritus of modern life, microplastics in our waterways and the sea. on the other, tsunamis, hurricanes, record temperatures all cheek by jowl, and f***ing BUXTON flooding...it suggests that something's afoot, and it looks like an incredibly speedy (against the 4.54 billion year history of the earth) and very steep downward slope.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Aug 2, 2019 19:20:48 GMT
Our earth has been around for 4.5 billion years, at various temperatures. Our arrogance makes us believe we could affect it in any way. It has and we have been around for around 10,000 of those years. In that time we have massively altered the natural state and balance of the planet. We are exploitative users and whilst I agree there may well be an element of natural cycle; there is an overwhelming body of evidence that shows we are accelerating the rate of change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 20:00:35 GMT
"...presumably that carrot skinned c*** just thinks it's coincidence".
I doubt it, some of his biggest political donors are amongst the worst polluters in the US and that ultimately is what it is about, money and lots of it. Donny likes being pres and it requires lots of loot to ensure he gets another term and the fossil fuel industry is prepared to spend it like water to put off the evil day when few people want their product anymore. And that is the really depressing aspect of it. We will be weaned off oil and coal, it's inevitable. Politicians could make it easier but they choose not to because the manufacturers of wind turbines, localised generating capacity and solar panels don't finance them.
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Post by gazz on Aug 2, 2019 20:35:45 GMT
Our earth has been around for 4.5 billion years, at various temperatures. Our arrogance makes us believe we could affect it in any way. So chopping down trees and burning fossil fuels has had no impact? I don't know about arrogance, downy, but that statement just smacks of pure ignorance, mate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 20:53:27 GMT
Bloody privatised in-it-solely-for-the-profit public transport doesn't help. I thought I'd start using the train this season since I've a station 15 minutes walk from home. Until I discovered that it's £73.20 return to Edgeley!
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Post by gazz on Aug 2, 2019 21:19:03 GMT
Bloody privatised in-it-solely-for-the-profit public transport doesn't help. I thought I'd start using the train this season since I've a station 15 minutes walk from home. Until I discovered that it's £73.20 return to Edgeley! It's extortionate the prices they charge. Get a rail card, mate. It does work out quite a bit cheaper if you use trains regularly.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Aug 4, 2019 14:25:56 GMT
Liverpool fans booing the national anthem
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Post by gazz on Aug 4, 2019 14:52:24 GMT
Liverpool fans booing the national anthem Gobsh*tes, mate. I've heard "We're not English, we're Scouse" a few times here. Cut them off and let them go independent. The money the treasury would save on blag disability claims, mobility cars and benefit payments in this City, we'd be able to wipe out the national debt!* *Not really, but you get my point!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 11:13:18 GMT
Liverpool fans booing the national anthem Gobsh*tes, mate. I've heard "We're not English, we're Scouse" a few times here. Cut them off and let them go independent. The money the treasury would save on blag disability claims, mobility cars and benefit payments in this City, we'd be able to wipe out the national debt!* *Not really, but you get my point! The National Anthem is just that, national. By definition it is designed as a call to national unity. When was the last time this country was governed with that in mind? I can think of few things that demonstrate with such clarity what is wrong with this country than one of the last vestiges of feudalism as represented by hereditary Monarchy bestowed by the grace of God (I'm not going there) on an individual purely by accident of birth. An entire family and assorted hangers-on living in gilded luxury financed by land holdings dating back in some instances to the 14th century plus further state subsidised benefits whilst the same state continues to sanction poverty as official policy by cutting benefits to the poorest in society. 52% of universal credit benefits are paid to families who have at least one member in full-time employment! Apart from the fact that it is a cheerless dirge, how does verse 6 sit with anybody? Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! The kind of English exceptionalism, fuelled by ignorance of its history and based on a rose tinted view of the war by people too young to remember it who think that Johnson "tells it like it is", who support Farage (hope that b*st*rd feels like the scum he is after claiming Trump's racist tweets were a stroke of "genius") seems to be behind much of why the country is where it presently is. It's also the kind of English exceptionalism that came up with the National Anthem, celebrating something somehow gracious and noble, God given and untouchable.
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