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Post by gazz on Aug 5, 2019 12:47:14 GMT
Gobsh*tes, mate. I've heard "We're not English, we're Scouse" a few times here. Cut them off and let them go independent. The money the treasury would save on blag disability claims, mobility cars and benefit payments in this City, we'd be able to wipe out the national debt!* *Not really, but you get my point! The National Anthem is just that, national. By definition it is designed as a call to national unity. When was the last time this country was governed with that in mind? I can think of few things that demonstrate with such clarity what is wrong with this country than one of the last vestiges of feudalism as represented by hereditary Monarchy bestowed by the grace of God (I'm not going there) on an individual purely by accident of birth. An entire family and assorted hangers-on living in gilded luxury financed by land holdings dating back in some instances to the 14th century plus further state subsidised benefits whilst the same state continues to sanction poverty as official policy by cutting benefits to the poorest in society. 52% of universal credit benefits are paid to families who have at least one member in full-time employment! Apart from the fact that it is a cheerless dirge, how does verse 6 sit with anybody? Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! The kind of English exceptionalism, fuelled by ignorance of its history and based on a rose tinted view of the war by people too young to remember it who think that Johnson "tells it like it is", who support Farage (hope that b*st*rd feels like the scum he is after claiming Trump's racist tweets were a stroke of "genius") seems to be behind much of why the country is where it presently is. It's also the kind of English exceptionalism that came up with the National Anthem, celebrating something somehow gracious and noble, God given and untouchable. Don't get me wrong here, mate, you're right and I hate the anthem myself. However, that's not my point and nor do I believe that it is the Scousers'. In my opinion, "Scouse not English" has less to do with the words of the national anthem and more to do with the Irish contingent living in the city and also the influence of the Catholic Church. I'm not saying I'm right, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 12:50:54 GMT
Gobsh*tes, mate. I've heard "We're not English, we're Scouse" a few times here. Cut them off and let them go independent. The money the treasury would save on blag disability claims, mobility cars and benefit payments in this City, we'd be able to wipe out the national debt!* *Not really, but you get my point! The National Anthem is just that, national. By definition it is designed as a call to national unity. When was the last time this country was governed with that in mind? I can think of few things that demonstrate with such clarity what is wrong with this country than one of the last vestiges of feudalism as represented by hereditary Monarchy bestowed by the grace of God (I'm not going there) on an individual purely by accident of birth. An entire family and assorted hangers-on living in gilded luxury financed by land holdings dating back in some instances to the 14th century plus further state subsidised benefits whilst the same state continues to sanction poverty as official policy by cutting benefits to the poorest in society. 52% of universal credit benefits are paid to families who have at least one member in full-time employment! Apart from the fact that it is a cheerless dirge, how does verse 6 sit with anybody? Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! The kind of English exceptionalism, fuelled by ignorance of its history and based on a rose tinted view of the war by people too young to remember it who think that Johnson "tells it like it is", who support Farage (hope that b*st*rd feels like the scum he is after claiming Trump's racist tweets were a stroke of "genius") seems to be behind much of why the country is where it presently is. It's also the kind of English exceptionalism that came up with the National Anthem, celebrating something somehow gracious and noble, God given and untouchable. What do you think of verse 4?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 13:11:15 GMT
The National Anthem is just that, national. By definition it is designed as a call to national unity. When was the last time this country was governed with that in mind? I can think of few things that demonstrate with such clarity what is wrong with this country than one of the last vestiges of feudalism as represented by hereditary Monarchy bestowed by the grace of God (I'm not going there) on an individual purely by accident of birth. An entire family and assorted hangers-on living in gilded luxury financed by land holdings dating back in some instances to the 14th century plus further state subsidised benefits whilst the same state continues to sanction poverty as official policy by cutting benefits to the poorest in society. 52% of universal credit benefits are paid to families who have at least one member in full-time employment! Apart from the fact that it is a cheerless dirge, how does verse 6 sit with anybody? Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! The kind of English exceptionalism, fuelled by ignorance of its history and based on a rose tinted view of the war by people too young to remember it who think that Johnson "tells it like it is", who support Farage (hope that b*st*rd feels like the scum he is after claiming Trump's racist tweets were a stroke of "genius") seems to be behind much of why the country is where it presently is. It's also the kind of English exceptionalism that came up with the National Anthem, celebrating something somehow gracious and noble, God given and untouchable. What do you think of verse 4? Which bit in particular? The idea that somehow the great all seeing and powerful God should protect us from our latent foe who, in all likelihood believes in the same God or this bit? For Britain's sake defend, Our mother, prince, and friend, God save the Queen! Not my mother, prince or friend thanks very much. You'll have to try hard to convince me that there's any room for this kind of bullsh*t in this day and age.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 13:38:10 GMT
What do you think of verse 4? Which bit in particular? The idea that somehow the great all seeing and powerful God should protect us from our latent foe who, in all likelihood believes in the same God or this bit? For Britain's sake defend, Our mother, prince, and friend, God save the Queen! Not my mother, prince or friend thanks very much. You'll have to try hard to convince me that there's any room for this kind of bullsh*t in this day and age. Was thinking of Hickson's alternative verse 4.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 13:50:33 GMT
No problem with the sentiment although it has (imo) got nothing to do with God.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 14:13:07 GMT
The National Anthem is just that, national. By definition it is designed as a call to national unity. When was the last time this country was governed with that in mind? I can think of few things that demonstrate with such clarity what is wrong with this country than one of the last vestiges of feudalism as represented by hereditary Monarchy bestowed by the grace of God (I'm not going there) on an individual purely by accident of birth. An entire family and assorted hangers-on living in gilded luxury financed by land holdings dating back in some instances to the 14th century plus further state subsidised benefits whilst the same state continues to sanction poverty as official policy by cutting benefits to the poorest in society. 52% of universal credit benefits are paid to families who have at least one member in full-time employment! Apart from the fact that it is a cheerless dirge, how does verse 6 sit with anybody? Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen! The kind of English exceptionalism, fuelled by ignorance of its history and based on a rose tinted view of the war by people too young to remember it who think that Johnson "tells it like it is", who support Farage (hope that b*st*rd feels like the scum he is after claiming Trump's racist tweets were a stroke of "genius") seems to be behind much of why the country is where it presently is. It's also the kind of English exceptionalism that came up with the National Anthem, celebrating something somehow gracious and noble, God given and untouchable. Don't get me wrong here, mate, you're right and I hate the anthem myself. However, that's not my point and nor do I believe that it is the Scousers'. In my opinion, "Scouse not English" has less to do with the words of the national anthem and more to do with the Irish contingent living in the city and also the influence of the Catholic Church. I'm not saying I'm right, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility. You might be right mate, they wouldn't be the only descendants of expats with a fondness for "the old country". Expats with a rose tinted view of home and who can generally be relied upon to have an anti-English prejudice which also ignores the fact that their own aristocracy also played a prominent role in the events which led to mass migration. That is not to diminish the role played by English landowners particularly in Ireland, less so in Scotland but it's never as black and white as it is frequently portrayed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 14:18:14 GMT
No problem with the sentiment although it has (imo) got nothing to do with God. Not much you can do about being born in a predominantly Christian country I suppose.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Oct 8, 2019 18:31:01 GMT
Words literally fail me
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Oct 8, 2019 18:42:42 GMT
doesn't work for me duds, so hopefully won't work for other people either. once upon a time, i partly accepted the outcome however much i disagreed with it. now that the toxicity has risen well past eleven (sorry, spinal tap), they can all f*** off, the jingoistic aggression is very boring and paints them as w**kers forevermore even if they do get to build their sorry little wall around this island nation.
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Post by gazz on Oct 9, 2019 2:16:37 GMT
This sums the leave campaign up perfectly for me. These f**kwits don't realise that, should we leave, we will still need to do business with EU members such as Germany - no doubt they'll return the two fingered gesture, with an extra one for good measure. I've also seen an article regarding some ex-pats who are now moaning that leaving the EU will f*** up their health care - wonder if they are the same ones that voted to leave? I do hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 5:04:37 GMT
It's 53 years since the England football team was good enough to win anything (note, England) and 74 years since the end of the war in which we were one amongst a number of far stronger allies who's claim to "winning" the war is far greater than this country's. It encapsulates the leave argument beautifully since they rely on the support of narrow minded little Englanders with a one-eyed view of history that is so utterly fictitious it borders on dishonest.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Oct 17, 2019 20:31:03 GMT
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Oct 17, 2019 20:42:02 GMT
crikey. most of us wouldn't send an internal work email that informal to someone we know well and get on with. the fact that it has the white house header..."call you later"
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Post by gazz on Oct 17, 2019 21:42:58 GMT
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Post by gazz on Dec 9, 2019 15:06:35 GMT
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