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Post by sandbachhatter on Nov 16, 2015 9:58:05 GMT
Over to Fudgie....
Montréal
I fully understand that this is more personal to me than anyone else but I would be remiss if I didn't at least mention it... as anyone knows it isn't like me to say anything bad about the Great White North but in the case of Montréal I'll make an exception.
I will be fair, it's a beautiful city but the people, oh my God the people! You will never meet a ruder more self-entitled bunch of anti-English people in the World. In an English speaking Commonwealth country they outright refuse to speak English, even though they all can,with their phony French accent and very undeserved sense of self-importance they are uncooperative, irksome rude and have a disagreeable hockey team!
I do agree with them on one thing! Independence for Quebec! Lets keep the True North Strong & Free (of Montréal!) and do away with these plastic French, Anglophobe, borderline treasonous lot!
Mislabeling of Stockport
I know the name was a bit of a stretch but I needed to get this one in somehow! There are very few things I hate more than being refered to as a Manc and being told that Stockport is part of Manchester!
We're not part of Manchester, we're not Mancunians! We're not even in the same county (real county's anyway!) OUR town is almost as big as Manchester and twice as nice! You wouldn't call a Scottish person English so you shouldn't call a Stopfordian a Manc!
We have our own history and even our own museum! We even have a pyramid...Manchester doesn't have a pyramid!
Modern Music
Okay, this one comes down to personal opinion but Great Britain has one of the richest musical heritages in history ranging from The Beatles, The Stones, Oasis, Blur, Floyd and many more...however we now have the likes of One Direction and N Dubz! Now I appreciate this isnt the fault of the bands in question. Theyre just a product of their age but this Simon Cowell generation of music has, in my opinion, destroyed the one thing we all hold dear, music!
I'm not saying that we should just cancel new music but get rid of this manufactured autotune nonsense and bring back real instruments and real musicians. Even if it sounds crap, its real!
The decision is yours!
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Post by sandbachhatter on Nov 16, 2015 13:31:01 GMT
Someone has obviously voted for modern music, but not sure who?
Either way, I'll double that vote!
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Post by countyfan on Nov 16, 2015 14:12:03 GMT
I've never been to Canada so cannot comment on Montreal. When I'm on holiday or somewhere else around the world and people ask me where I live, when I say Stockport they say "where's that", when I say Manchester they know where that is so it doesn't bother me at all about the mislabeling of Stockport.
So the winner is modern music. It's just noise!! As my grandad used to say to me when I was a kid and loved the music of that era!! haha.
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Post by gazz on Nov 16, 2015 14:15:08 GMT
Someone has obviously voted for modern music, but not sure who? Either way, I'll double that vote! It was Eps, matey. I'm voting for modern music. The Stockport/Manc thing bothers me immensely, but to put it in the bin denies me the satisfaction of being able to educate any f**kwits that suggests I'm a Manc. So get that modern shite binned off, and leave the music business to the ladies and gentlemen who can actually write songs, play instruments and sing!
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Post by Epworth Hatter on Nov 16, 2015 17:40:55 GMT
Indeed it was me. I got rudely interupted at work in between voting and giving my reasons. Some people, eh?
Not sure if it was worth the wait, but here is why I voted for modern music...
I can't bear the manufactured X-Factor-style crap. Glorified karaoke at best. To think there are so many genuinely talented musicians out there who can't get recognised - then along comes a kid who has the right face that fits and he's raking it in (although only a fraction of what the producers get)
I have to say I don't some across much Stockport / Man confusion - although when I do, it is really irritating!
I've never been to Montreal, and with that ringing endorsement, I don't think I ever will!
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Post by gazz on Nov 16, 2015 17:53:40 GMT
I can't bear the manufactured X-Factor-style crap. Glorified karaoke at best. To think there are so many genuinely talented musicians out there who can't get recognised - then along comes a kid who has the right face that fits and he's raking it in (although only a fraction of what the producers get)
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Post by ceefer on Nov 16, 2015 19:41:00 GMT
Do they actually sing on X Factor? Or if they do dont they dub it as well. Modern 'music' leaves me cold...most of it genuinely does nothing for me, and its questinable if these people have any talent at all. Yes I blame Cowell as well.. so it has to be music
Yes Stockport needs to lose this part of Manchester label...Stockport council should really promote themselves and remove the link...
Montreal will always be a thorn in the side of any British connection in Canada, but if it wasnt them it would be some other town.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Nov 16, 2015 19:49:52 GMT
alright, our kid? smart that. top, top post... the stocky/manc confusion at least provides an opportunity to educate people (who will inevitably just think you're being a chippy northerner and definite manc).
i'll be voting for modern music...although i will say it was ever thus. in my teens it was formulaic, packaged stock, aitken and waterman shite. rick ghastly and his ilk. there's always good stuff going off in the margins though. like macc, and probably eps a bit later, i was always able to stake out my corner with a 'psychocandy' or a 'daydream nation'. but the point still holds true - when it's designed for commerce, and not written by the attractive mannequin who actually fronts it; that kind of thing always gets my goat. worse still are the sheep that consume it as though it has some merit. it's something that i can't help being a snob about. you can tell when a great, pure pop song comes along. it might be commercial but that's not all that's driving it. that makes it different to the rest.
most of it is just anodyne, airbrushed, auto-tuned committee-b*ll*cks. i think i've moaned about it before, but the last episode of 'x-factor' i saw, round a mate's house who also always seemed to have 'big brother' on, featured someone ruining curtis mayfield's call to arms 'move on up', and someone else taking on minnie riperton's 'lovin you'. both characterised by really fine, distinct performers who sound like they mean it. doesn't work the same when you're just hoping to get to the next round, and perform your mariah vocal wobble melodrama. dreadful.
but there's still stuff out there if you turn over enough stones; and it's more easily accessible now because there's so much niche stuff on the internet in particular, but also the radio. down with centrist music policy and the modern music that sits within it.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Nov 16, 2015 21:23:30 GMT
As modern music includes my son as a producer and dj it would be rather harsh of me to send him to purgatory.
Manc mistakers are as ignorant and annoying as the mancs themselves. You should have put Manchester itself up for a nomination!
I think I shall vote for Montreal as they remind me of the Welsh and Scots who want the best of Britain but still take the money...
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Nov 16, 2015 21:28:02 GMT
Can't offer an opinion about Montreal (always a great F1 race each year though).
Stockport being mistaken for Manchester is just crass ignorance and i feel sorry for the oiks.
Modern music is just total rubbish (but all our parents probably siad that as well). Cowell has a lot to answer for.
Modern music for me then.
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Post by gazz on Nov 16, 2015 21:29:23 GMT
and perform your mariah vocal wobble melodrama. dreadful. The thing that pi**es me off most about that crap, is that Mr flat-top-botox-veneer Grinning b*st*rd clearly hand picks the contestants he knows will make it to the business end, before the 'auditions' begin. He just scatters them among the rabble at various locations throughout the UK and then lets the seals in the audience clap for fish until the chosen ones get to the latter stages. Then, said seals clap for more fish and pay good money to vote for the talentless **** that they want to win, and then when said talentless **** wins the whole thing, said seal forks out yet more good money to buy their F**KING single, effectively paying for it at least twice, depending on how many times the ****s are stupid enough ring up to vote! It's like some F**ked up form of pledge music, whereby you pay your money to help the artist get his project off the ground, then when the single gets the green light (hits required pledge target) you are asked to pay for it again! Meanwhile, Mr 'I'll bang a triangle a couple of times on this track and claim performance royalties' sits in his mansion laughing at the F**KING lot of them. I don't know who the biggest **** is, Cowell, the artist, or the stupid **** who pays (multiple times) for three and a half minutes of a pitch-controlled, musical equivalent of a F**KING cup-a-soup.
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Post by bigfudge on Nov 16, 2015 23:07:15 GMT
Rant of the year right here!
Superb and spot on!
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Nov 16, 2015 23:11:50 GMT
It's like some F**ked up form of pledge music, whereby you pay your money to help the artist get his project off the ground, then when the single gets the green light (hits required pledge target) you are asked to pay for it again! I don't know who the biggest c**t is, Cowell, the artist, or the stupid c**t who pays (multiple times) for three and a half minutes of a pitch-controlled, musical equivalent of a F**KING cup-a-soup. kickstarter's a bit more honest though - you know exactly how much you're paying and what you should be getting. you can then piss and moan if you don't get it, because you know you haven't got it. to pay for the privilege of voting, then buy the rush-released-for-christmas single, THEN perhaps three singles plus six or seven other tracks of anonymous dreck on the album, all laced through the tabloids so that people feel like it's a thing and they should get in on it...it's just a sneakier way of doing things. i blame the audience. if we let them tell us what to like it will always be the blandest common denominator. want more. to quote two members of the sex pistols in one paragraph for perhaps the only time; as john lydon said at the end of their final show at winterland, as a cover of 'no fun' collapsed around him, "ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" more broadly, sid, when asked if he made his music for the man in the street, famously replied "no. i've met the man in the street, and he's a c***." and covers. COVERS! doing something new with a song i can take, even like. wrapping your new artist in the safety net of a cover, is a trojan horse - get them in in something unthreatening, that people already know. the fact that it's f***ing shite and just has a mildly updated beat and a significantly less idiosyncratic vocal than the original is more or less irrelevant.
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Post by gazz on Nov 16, 2015 23:18:30 GMT
more broadly, sid, when asked if he made his music for the man in the street, famously replied "no. i've met the man in the street, and he's a c**t." I've always loved that quote, utter brilliance.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Nov 16, 2015 23:49:00 GMT
Fudgie: any chance of slightly re-labelling 'modern music' as 'manufactured modern music'?
It sounds as though that is what you meant - and how those who have voted to date interpreted it... and it will definitely get my vote (by excluding what decent, current music is around), if so!
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