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Post by sirroger on Mar 24, 2014 19:19:20 GMT
On the basis Arsenal do not win the Premier League title this season, (their chances are slim if not remote), then Wenger should go.
Nine years without a trophy is not acceptable.
Arsenal constantly flatter to deceive.
Wenger will say it's impossible to compete against the wealth of Chelsea and City, I'd say they aren't short of a few bob and that's a bit of a p*** poor excuse. I'd love to see their wage bill over the last 5 or 6 years.
Yeah, time to move on Wenger.
If he can hang around for a while, there will be a vacancy again at Notts Forest he can apply for.
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Post by gazz on Mar 24, 2014 20:49:25 GMT
I think he has had the fallback excuse of the club having to pay for the new stadium and not having a budget to match his rivals as a result, but there's no excusing the £48m he chucked away on Ozil, who is an excellent player, but he's hardly been hitting headlines since his arrival at Arsenal. Clearly a panic buy from Wenger.
I say he should get one more season, assuming of course that the Emirates is now paid for, which means he should be given a decent budget in the summer. If he fails to deliver next season, then he should be booked on the next Eurostar out of London.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Mar 24, 2014 21:29:45 GMT
he panic bought the previous season as well - bringing arteta, benayoun, mertesacker and santos in on the last day. arsenal insisted he had a sizeable budget before last summer's window, and £42m for ozil (the second highest fee ever paid for a player by a british club, and the highest was bankrolled by a petrochemicals billionaire) tends to bear that out. we'll never know, but if they'd offered -say- £50m for suarez when he was agitating to leave liverpool, would they have got him? and would they be winning the league?
when everybody's doing the 'ah, but they've qualified for the champions league for 16 seasons', it always occurs to me that they've reached a final, had one or two decent results...but that's about it. it's all in the qualifying. in comparison, liverpool, as a complete basket case of a club at times, weren't in it for half the seasons that arsenal have been but have still won it with a massively inferior squad to most arsenal ones...and reached another final, have won at the bernabeu and nou camp; and have put chelsea out a couple of times, as well as inter, juve etc. even in their failure years, liverpool have won an fa cup and a league cup since arsenal won anything.
yeah it's great qualifying for the champions league all those times, but then arsenal just putter about in it and go out as soon as they face strong opposition. he certainly had a period when they were paying for the emirates that he had a very reduced budget, but he also had a period when he had viera and henri and pires and all the rest, and shouldn't they have done a bit more? they tend to come unstuck against the top teams in the premier league as well, and not just this seaason - united and chelsea in particular have been beating them for fun for years. i dunno. in some ways it's been a great achievement, but if all they're about is qualifying for the champions league and collecting the money, where's the glory in that?
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Post by sirroger on Mar 24, 2014 21:36:35 GMT
spot on, exile.
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Post by Admin on Mar 24, 2014 21:57:24 GMT
Winning the FA Cup should by him one more season but not winning it with the remaining 4 teams should be an instant sacking!
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Post by gazz on Mar 24, 2014 22:09:33 GMT
Sorry, £42m, shows how much I know about the PL!
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Post by Epworth Hatter OLD account on Mar 24, 2014 22:37:58 GMT
I think Arsenal, under Wenger, have become a fairly solid bet for a top 4 finish each season. I don't think they'll win the league this season, but possibly the FA cup (although they have a habit of bottling it).
The problem is that replacing Wenger is as likely to lead to Arsenal falling out of the top 4 than finishing top. The owners will always play safe and stick with Wenger to get the CL cash each year.
Low ambition, but that's what happens when you let 4 teams into the Champions(sic) League and then pay them so much money to fail (and even more money to fail again in the Europa League).
Never has the phrase, 'It's not the winning, but that taking part that counts*' been so apt.
*that is: money in the bank
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Post by gazz on Mar 24, 2014 22:40:58 GMT
Low ambition, but that's what happens when you let 4 teams into the Champions(sic) League and then pay them so much money to fail (and even more money to fail again in the Europa League). Never has the phrase, 'It's not the winning, but that taking part that counts*' been so apt. *that is: money in the bank That, is a brilliant comment.
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Post by sirroger on Apr 6, 2014 14:31:08 GMT
His days most be numbered after this latest debacle. As fudgie said earlier, and I'd add as an absolute minimum, it's win the FA Cup or go.
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2014 19:31:28 GMT
Keep going like this and they won't even get 4th, on the slight chance that United win the CL then they have to finish 3rd!
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Apr 6, 2014 20:10:04 GMT
they aren't going to finish 3rd, and 4th isn't in their own hands now. good. there's a complacency there that qualifying for the champions league is good enough. i hope martinez gets everton there instead.
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Post by Admin on Apr 6, 2014 23:15:39 GMT
Weird to think they were genuine title challenger a month or 2 ago!
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Apr 6, 2014 23:54:42 GMT
blazing start to the season (after the first day) or not, i've honestly always believed there's a mental weakness in that squad. where's their terry, gerrard, suarez, kompany, zabaletta, toure?
the pundits had it absolutely right for once when repeatedly posed the question 'will arsenal win it?'. i really hope everton beat them to the champions league place, although they have the tougher run in. it will really shake things up at the emirates.
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2014 1:10:21 GMT
Yeah there was a sad inevitability about their collapse, I'd much prefer Arsenal to win it over any of the other 3 top 4 teams, as long as City don't win it, I'm content!
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Post by Epworth Hatter OLD account on Apr 7, 2014 12:11:02 GMT
If Wenger does go, I bet it will be a short trip for him from the dug out to the directors box.
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