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Post by collingecounty on Aug 1, 2020 15:27:09 GMT
Reports going around that, for schools to reopen, we might have to close pubs again. For me, the 'problem' with pubs is having too many customers in. The four times I have been in a pub since July 4th, it was well regulated, socially distanced, etc. The horror stories are when customers are rammed inside or outside. Much The same as overcrowded beaches, large demonstrations, etc. The hospitality industry is one of the largest employers in the UK, and it needs at least some income. Some pubs are limiting customers to two hour slots. I'd be quite happy with that.
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Post by gazz on Aug 1, 2020 15:34:42 GMT
Some pubs are limiting customers to two hour slots. I think this should be the way forward, along with booking your places in advance - if you haven't pre-booked, you're not getting in. That, in my opinion, will be the best way to regulate pubs.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Aug 1, 2020 15:53:10 GMT
i'm still a bit staggered that people are so at a loss without pubs, without the theatres, without the beaches, when we have a global pandemic that has killed seven hundred thousand people and left legacies of ill health in many more than that.
i couldn't give a f*** about whether i get to go to the cinema this year, or have a pub lunch. i want us to control this as quickly as possible, which will be best achieved by not giving it opportunities to spread. too many people just aren't having that, and i think they're staggeringly weak and selfish c***s.
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Post by gazz on Aug 1, 2020 16:00:43 GMT
i'm still a bit staggered that people are so at a loss without pubs, without the theatres, without the beaches, when we have a global pandemic that has killed seven hundred thousand people and left legacies of ill health in many more than that. i couldn't give a f*** about whether i get to go to the cinema this year, or have a pub lunch. i want us to control this as quickly as possible, which will be best achieved by not giving it opportunities to spread. too many people just aren't having that, and i think they're staggeringly weak and selfish c***s. The best post I've read on the subject so far, mate.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Aug 1, 2020 16:08:56 GMT
Seconded - none of these activities should matter, but the size of the selfish-a**ehole brigade over here is depressingly monstrous.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Aug 1, 2020 16:14:31 GMT
And, as a father of a teenager, I earnestly hope that priority, if it needs to be given, is in favour of re-opening the schools. I genuinely fear that, without it, we are storing up one massive mental health catastrophe for a generation.
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Post by archie on Aug 2, 2020 9:29:28 GMT
Sorry, as long as they're properly regulated, I can't see any link between pubs being open and schools re-opening. Any parents who are that worried will presumably be the first to avoid pubs and prevent their brats from running amok in the 'care' of other customers. If a pub doesn't obey the rules they can be shut down at any time.
This whole subject has all the hallmarks of click bait and is in the same category as 'stay alert' and 'hands, face, space'.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Aug 2, 2020 9:39:52 GMT
Get the schools open and get all those lazy teachers out of the pubs and back to work.
How much furking holiday do they need !!!
(Just thought I'd get this in first)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 11:02:53 GMT
Sorry, as long as they're properly regulated, I can't see any link between pubs being open and schools re-opening. Any parents who are that worried will presumably be the first to avoid pubs and prevent their brats from running amok in the 'care' of other customers. If a pub doesn't obey the rules they can be shut down at any time. This whole subject has all the hallmarks of click bait and is in the same category as 'stay alert' and 'hands, face, space'. The point is that by opening pubs the risk of spreading the disease is increased. If it were only the economy that had to be considered then fine however, it's not. Since all activities involving groups of people congregating together involve heightened risk the view is that group activities should be prioritised. Getting children back to school should therefore be a higher priority than allowing people back to the pub. Seems fair enough to me, especially since the Government seem rather more keen on spending money subsidising people eating out or handing it by the tens of millions to its mates in private industry for services that don't come up to scratch (test and trace for example) than it is in making sure that schools have the wherewithal to cater for children on site or remotely, or a combination of the two.
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Post by ceefer on Aug 2, 2020 13:00:10 GMT
A 5 year old could have come up with a better slogan than that.
This lot never cease to amaze me.
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Post by gazz on Aug 2, 2020 14:27:34 GMT
Any parents who are that worried will presumably be the first to avoid pubs and prevent their brats from running amok in the 'care' of other customers. Sorry, archie, you're failing to factor in the very real issue that some parents are f***ing idiots, mate. This whole subject has all the hallmarks of click bait and is in the same category as 'stay alert' and 'hands, face, space'. This ^^^, however, may have some validity. There will no doubt be an element of 'let the peasants fight among themselves over this one' about it.
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Post by archie on Aug 2, 2020 15:16:08 GMT
Sorry, archie, you're failing to factor in the very real issue that some parents are f***ing idiots, mate. I'll concede that but, because of the haphazard way the release of lockdown has been operated in England, there is no evidence that pubs have had a hand in increasing the rate of infection. In Wales, everything has been slower and nearly all the spread in the community is down to special circumstances like fruit pickers or meat processing workers who tend to live in high occupancy accommodation. The pubs in Wales have been open for 3 weeks for outdoor consumption only and will open tomorrow for socially distanced indoor consumption. There has been no evidence that anything untoward has occurred in the last 3 weeks.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Aug 2, 2020 15:17:08 GMT
yeah my ranty thing wasn't about schools v pubs because that's just noise. it was about the spread of the virus, and whether the 'i will fight for my right to go to a pub' brigade should f*** right off under current circumstances. i know it is breaking the hospitality industry, and i don't doubt that there are people who can do it properly and responsibly, but you only have to watch any channel 5 documentary at random to conclude that people necking booze in town centres get up to ripped-collared rolling about tracked by cctv hi-jinks, and should probably not be trusted with keeping the R rate down...
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Post by archie on Aug 2, 2020 16:23:00 GMT
To be fair, there's risks involved in going to the corner shop or dropping off little Johnny at the school gates and there have been small clusters associated with even well regulated pubs. If people want to be Rsoles then they will in most circumstances.
I haven't been to a pub since they reopened but I'm planning on celebrating my stepdaughter's birthday this week with a socially distanced meal that will be strictly limited to 2 hours.
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Post by collingecounty on Aug 2, 2020 19:36:09 GMT
Went to the pub today. Considered to be one of Birmingham's premier pubs. Hardly anybody in. The manager painted a sorry, desolate picture of pubs in one of the main cities of the UK. The hospitality industry is badly affected. The problem is the lack of managing social distancing. In good pubs this is gappening. In pubs that want to make money quickly, it i'n't.
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