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Post by gazz on Dec 12, 2019 9:14:57 GMT
If Johnson gets his way, we're all f***ed.
I just hope that the electorate finally wake up, to the fact that the "control" in "taking back control" means nothing more than the current government being given free reign to strip us of what little rights, NHS and welfare safety net we have left.
It is my belief that once they have a mandate, they will ride roughshod over this Country, with even more cuts. They'll scrap the benefit system, that's for sure, with the minimum wage to follow, forcing anyone with the ability to lift and carry into low-paid, zero hour work - it'll be either that or starve.
Many company bosses will then exploit this to its fullest, treating their workforce like pit ponies over long hours with minimal breaks and the threat of losing their homes constantly hanging over their heads.
I hope I'm wrong, but these b*st*rds can pretty much do what they want once we're out of the EU, so what's to stop them?
Not only that, but how does the electorate really believe we're going to be able to do any trade deals without immigration? Do they really believe that any nation looking to move their businesses here will take jobs from their own countries and place them here without us agreeing to some of their own workers being able to come here to do them? So to those xenophobes voting to stop immigration - good luck with that.
Also, how do we hope to do deals with anyone, especially EU member nations, without submitting bottom-dollar prices, as well as agreeing to some level of immigration? Those prices will come from cutting our cost base, so where do they think those cuts will take place, at the top? Will they balls. It'll be the wages they pay us, that's where.
We'll be working much harder and for much longer to meet deadlines, and for less money to meet costs, with nobody to protect us.
What's gone before with Tory governments will be mild in comparison to the sh*t storm that's going to hit this country starting tomorrow.
This is just my personal belief. I'm not the most politically astute, but how else could it possibly be with a Tory government with a free pass? It's what I genuinely fear is to come.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Dec 12, 2019 10:50:48 GMT
Friday the 13th - doesn't bode well does it ?
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Post by gazz on Dec 12, 2019 12:06:18 GMT
Friday the 13th - doesn't bode well does it ? It's actually the first one I've genuinely dreaded, Lennie, and I consider myself to be a fairly superstitious person.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Dec 12, 2019 12:09:21 GMT
I am truly fearful for my children’s future if the tories get in. The whole Brexit farce is one of the reasons for my choosing to relocate, as is the Tory contempt for my profession and the children who are suffering as a result of their policies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 12:29:40 GMT
If Johnson gets his way, we're all f***ed. I just hope that the electorate finally wake up, to the fact that the "control" in "taking back control" means nothing more than the current government being given free reign to strip us of what little rights, NHS and welfare safety net we have left. It is my belief that once they have a mandate, they will ride roughshod over this Country, with even more cuts. They'll scrap the benefit system, that's for sure, with the minimum wage to follow, forcing anyone with the ability to lift and carry into low-paid, zero hour work - it'll be either that or starve. Many company bosses will then exploit this to its fullest, treating their workforce like pit ponies over long hours with minimal breaks and the threat of losing their homes constantly hanging over their heads. I hope I'm wrong, but these b*st*rds can pretty much do what they want once we're out of the EU, so what's to stop them? Not only that, but how does the electorate really believe we're going to be able to do any trade deals without immigration? Do they really believe that any nation looking to move their businesses here will take jobs from their own countries and place them here without us agreeing to some of their own workers being able to come here to do them? So to those xenophobes voting to stop immigration - good luck with that. Also, how do we hope to do deals with anyone, especially EU member nations, without submitting bottom-dollar prices, as well as agreeing to some level of immigration? Those prices will come from cutting our cost base, so where do they think those cuts will take place, at the top? Will they balls. It'll be the wages they pay us, that's where. We'll be working much harder and for much longer to meet deadlines, and for less money to meet costs, with nobody to protect us. What's gone before with Tory governments will be mild in comparison to the sh*t storm that's going to hit this country starting tomorrow. This is just my personal belief. I'm not the most politically astute, but how else could it possibly be with a Tory government with a free pass? It's what I genuinely fear is to come. Don't do yourself down mate, your guesses about what is likely to happen are quite likely to come true unless somehow the Tories can be kicked out or fail to get an overall majority. They've already given ample warning of what is coming. The NHS will be up for sale and when Trump recently said that he didn't want the NHS on a silver plate what he really meant was that he's already had it away on his toes with the silver plate. You're right about immigration. It's probably the biggest single lie of the entire Brexit "debate". This country needs immigrants, as it was in the '50's when the windrush generation came over here to do the type of jobs that the local population don't want to do like back breaking work like crop picking or wiping arses in hospital wards, etc. Amusingly Javid stated early on that the Tories would raise the minimum wage to £10 ph then a couple of days later added that it was merely an aspiration, safe in the knowledge that the former would be reported by the snivelling, foreign owned right-wing press and the latter not. We needn't worry about flogging stuff post Brexit since Patrick Minford has already made it clear that the farming industry will be decimated due to its inability to compete with cheap imports from countries who don't apply basic food hygeine safeguards, like the yanks, and we'll stop making things because British manufacturing has become largely an assembly operation which will be very easily enticed elsewhere because having spent a considerable amount of time as a contractor working at a variety of businesses with problems I can say with some certainty that in general we can't compete. British industry is renowned for being well behind the times in respect of investment in new technology, staff training and the quality of its management. What he thinks the millions employed in these sectors are going to do is not clear, he hasn't said. I confess to being quite happy that I am in the last 10 years of my working life rather the first 10 although whether that remains true as these tw@'s may not have finished putting the retirement age back remains to be seen.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Dec 12, 2019 21:29:04 GMT
went to vote at the same sort of time i always go, and i was queuing outside in the rain. this has allowed me to have a brief flicker of hope (about to be mercilessly dashed on the rocks of our island separation with the siren song of the ERG wailing triumphantly in the background) that every right thinking individual has shaken themselves and gone to do the right thing.
instead, they will have done the stupid thing, and we'll all be apocalyptically f***ed. woop.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Dec 12, 2019 21:41:03 GMT
My son's discussion at bedtime last night with his 3 year old daughter went:-
"Tomorrow Mummy and Daddy have to vote for a new Government, Bethany"
"That's boring"
"I know but it's important. Who should we give our cross to ?"
"The Monkey on my wall !"
"If monkey isn't on the piece of paper shall I draw one on it".
"No, Daddy, just go and buy one from the Zoo".
That is how the BBC political correspondent for 2040 started her career with unerring accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:11:19 GMT
I was planning to stop up and watch some of the results come in but the exit polls are suggesting a Tory majority of 86 seats so f*** it, I can't be arsed. If that turns out to be true then Corbyn had better have f***ed off back into the political wilderness from whence he came by the time I get up tomorrow and hopefully taken that dinosaur McCluskey with him.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Dec 12, 2019 22:12:17 GMT
Exit poll at 10.01 !!!!!
Of to find my passport ! I am searching my family tree for Scottish Ancestry so we can go Independent.
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Post by gazz on Dec 12, 2019 22:23:18 GMT
Game over.
I hope the f***ing morons who voted this tw## in suffer the most.
Goodbye NHS.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Dec 12, 2019 23:09:25 GMT
My son has messaged me saying Irish passports then?
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Post by gazz on Dec 12, 2019 23:51:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 7:23:41 GMT
There was a depressing inevitability about that. Almost, but not quite as depressing as the Labour leadership's response. Corbyn will apparently not be leading the party into the next election. The fact that he shouldn't even be leading it into the weekend is one that seems to have entirely escaped the clowns who prop this useless git up but I suppose we should be thankful for small mercies.
They no doubt hope to continue to form the Labour Party into a refuge for the politically inept, those whose commitments to socialist purity outweigh their ability to recognise reality. And the reality is that this country, and principally England has no sympathy with what it perceives to be extreme left wing politics. It matters not whether those politics are extreme or not (whatever his many faults may be, Corbyn is not a communist), it's the perception that counts.
In addition, the Labour Party has to counter the lies and misrepresentation of the right-wing press and in order to do that it needs to recognise that there is no room for the rehashing the arguments of the 1980's about nationalisation and that throwing money around like water is not a vote winner.
Above all else it needs the kind of intelligence that Corbyn, McCluskey, Milne and Lansmann combined can't rustle up between them to recognise that politics is the art of compromise and if you can't get exactly what you want then you have to settle for the nearest you can get and you can't even get that if you're not in Government.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on Dec 13, 2019 9:25:16 GMT
If the SNP get their 2nd referendum Scotland will walk away from the Union.
Labour will then never have enough seats to return to power, they will be a broken party offering no alternative to the Over Stuffed Teddy Bear of a Prime Minister this country has just elected.
Well done Britain. You have a bullying buffoon of a PM who disrespects females, has a number of offspring he refuses to declare and an equally odious "friend" across the Atlantic waiting to shaft this country in any trade deals. God help the poor people.
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Post by gazz on Dec 13, 2019 9:26:37 GMT
Devastated.
I don't recognise this country anymore.
Corbyn needs to f*** off before he does any more damage. He's turned the party into a left-wing pressure group, with zero chance of getting into power.
One thing is for sure, this sh*t won't affect him one little bit. Just do one, you scruffy old tw##.
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