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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 13:00:34 GMT
Nah, just a working taxpaying bloke who's been made redundant 3 times so I know how easily (and with breathtaking speed) it can all go tits up. My political views are informed by a keen interest in 18th/19th century european history. I find it incredibly depressing that the post war social contract should be so casually ripped up by a bunch of privileged rich boys most of whom wouldn't recognize a worthwhile days work if it bit their arses and all in the name of private profit.
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Post by ceefer on May 9, 2015 13:22:44 GMT
Not the result I was after, but Clegg got his just desserts after (in cohorts with the Blues) in my opinion disenfranchising the young regards to uni tuition fees. Fear for the public sector with up to £12BN cuts on their way. 5 years is a long time in politics....
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Post by gazz on May 9, 2015 14:28:46 GMT
Nah, just a working taxpaying bloke who's been made redundant 3 times so I know how easily (and with breathtaking speed) it can all go tits up. Ah I was pulling your leg. The initials of your username 'northyorksexile' spell 'NYE', it was just my crappy attempt at irony . I actually share your views, both my mother and my Nan were shop stewards for the Nurses Union, and were on the march for jobs, so I am totally on board with what you're saying, matey.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 14:42:14 GMT
I assumed you were so don't mention it. I tend to agree with Bevan's view of the Tories though
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Post by ceefer on May 10, 2015 11:06:14 GMT
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Post by gazz on May 12, 2015 12:51:25 GMT
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Post by bigfudge on May 12, 2015 13:09:42 GMT
Reckon Tony Blair fancies another stint?!
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Post by gazz on May 12, 2015 18:05:26 GMT
Reckon Tony Blair fancies another stint?! Not a chance, matey. sh*t sticks.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on May 12, 2015 19:25:00 GMT
what do you mean? do you have a problem with tory bliar?!?
...still sick about the result. will probably get sicker as the effects start to kick in too!
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Post by bigfudge on May 12, 2015 20:12:56 GMT
I actually liked Blair! I know an awful lot of his decisions were criticised but in his defence the economic crisis in USA affecting the entire Western World and 9/11 attacks on our closest allies and the 7/7 attacks in London were pretty unique circumstances that hopefully no PM will ever have to deal with again!
I do accept however that being only 24 I don't remember much of politics from them years and I'm not at all politically savvy so perhaps my opinion is worthless and completely wrong...!
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Post by gazz on May 12, 2015 20:25:45 GMT
Putting aside the negatives regarding Tony Blair for a minute. In my opinion he did a lot of good, and he was a top drawer leader and parliamentarian who would have torn Cameron a new one on a weekly basis.
However, he did take the party too far to the right for my liking though, then there's that unfortunate business regarding that pesky Iraq thing...
Shame really, because a leader with his skill, intellect and guile would be perfect for ridding number ten of a weapon of mass destruction!
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Post by bigfudge on May 12, 2015 20:36:28 GMT
This is a completely serious question but would he have had the power to take us into Iraq or would the whole of parliament had to have had a vote on it?
Regardless I think rightly or wrongly you'd be hard pushed to find a Western country who would not side with USA!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 20:36:46 GMT
I think Blair did a lot of good too, he was a brilliant statesman IMO. As you say gaz he took the Labour Party further right than they had ever been before but sad to say in this day and age you need to have the support of the fat cats to get anywhere near being able to make life better for the ordinary man. Big business and the media has a ridiculously big effect on ordinary voters.
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Post by gazz on May 12, 2015 21:10:13 GMT
As you say gaz he took the Labour Party further right than they had ever been before but sad to say in this day and age you need to have the support of the fat cats to get anywhere near being able to make life better for the ordinary man. Big business and the media has a ridiculously big effect on ordinary voters. pretty much sums up why a left-wing Labour party will struggle to win elections today. Although TB tried too hard to be all things to all men, it brought that famous landslide back in 1997. I remember that like it was yesterday, poll tax Portillo losing his seat being a particular highlight for me, with The Referendum Party's James Goldsmith applauding him sarcastically as his defeat was announced. I sat up all night and right through into the morning with my late Nan on the other end of the phone cheering every seat we won. I suffered every single day of Thatcher's tyranny, and although Major had dampened down the Tories' horror rating from 'R' to '15', I'll never forget that wave of optimism and relief when they were finally booted out of Number 10. I'm praying I will see another day like that in five years' time.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on May 12, 2015 21:46:43 GMT
This is a completely serious question but would he have had the power to take us into Iraq or would the whole of parliament had to have had a vote on it? it went in front of parliament and about a quarter of labour mps voted against. however the tories were also in support of it. robin cook later resigned as a result. the WMD intelligence was dodgy, and according to this memo, both britain and the us had already decided to go in regardless. i don't have any particular problem with blair either. he was a politician for those, and especially these times. lots of people including many labour supporters loathe him, and the way britain went into the iraq war certainly tarnished him.
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