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Post by ceefer on Jan 4, 2014 10:51:50 GMT
Jon nolans boot boy !
Lol
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Jan 4, 2014 10:59:52 GMT
Good first post, ceefer - and welcome to Heaven.
Another eight contributions, and you'll be free of the JN association!
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Post by gazz on Jan 4, 2014 11:11:48 GMT
Can't argue with any of that, ceefer. I've always said, part-time players/part-time commitment, and that's not meant in a negative way or as a dig at any individual player. How can anyone give their all for this club if for 5 days a week they have to flog their guts out in their other jobs?
I heard talk of the decision to go part-time would have been taken out of necessity even if we'd survived in the BSP, but why? Other clubs would no doubt save money on their playing budget by going part-time, but they chose not to because they know what we now know, that it would hinder their club further. Going down this road was a mistake, and it's going to take some serious changes at the club to reverse the damage.
Welcome aboard btw, good to see a YBer taking time out to share their opinions on here, thanks for stopping by.
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Post by stuinedgeley on Jan 4, 2014 15:24:15 GMT
welcome ceefer ! you are saying as I have said in other posts on this forum. The idea to put these youth team players in the local spotlight though is a good one. the youth team often play their games on the same day as the first team except they play in the morning. However it would still be a positive move to show them first hand what awaits their efforts and that is a great suggestion.
As for not receiving a reply........consider this...... lordy said if anyone has something to say to him then say it - his words not mine. I did just that. Silence is the response so far. It isn't the first time I have emailed the manager its just the first time I have posted such an email I sent to the club,in a forum of any kind.
So...the question must be asked as to if the opinions of the fans really do matter? If so then a response of some description would be a reasonable expectation given a period of time to do just that. I have directed emails at others in the club this season but have received very few replies and mostly none at all. If not and the only opinions that matter are from supporters groups and online forums of any kind who are in part or wholly connected to such supporters groups then the individual person doesn't count.
It cannot be both ways something has to give. Even if Alan himself is somewhat busy understandably to respond then at least someone from the club should make the effort in some capacity - but they rarely do.
Communication with this club has been poor for season after season. Its all very well making clever thoughtful comments on here and other forums but lets face it unless you take the publicity route - the recent sea of blue march as an example - then trying to contact the club seems a pointless exercise. As I type this we are 2up at Gainsborough and that is a positive position to be in. I just hope the investment we hope will happen arrives soon and allows us to return as you rightly point out ceefer to full time status.
...Leave to rise for 20 mins before putting in the oven..........
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Post by stuinedgeley on Jan 4, 2014 15:44:18 GMT
3 up....... I might email the club and say how well we are doing..........oh hang on.......
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Jan 5, 2014 8:28:23 GMT
Congratulations to the Youth team on some fighting performances. Sounds like they are playing with pride. The first thing I would do is give them all season tickets and get them along to first team training once a week. Show them the future. Get them on COWS and in the Express. We should be trumpeting any County success. Funnily enough t's called marketing. yeah that's spot on. some things that they could practically do and effectively free to the club. the f/t / p/t thing is interesting. as jim gannon used to repeat, no part time club had ever been promoted out of the conference, and no full time club relegated out of it. well we've managed to achieve the less positive of the two, and the 'last 15 burn' that i expected late on in games against part time teams, where our superior fitness would show never seemed to materialise. jim wanted us, where possible, travelling to distant games the day before for preparation. the part timers of forest green in our first conference season travelled up on the day, had their coach stuck in traffic for hours, and effectively parked up and got straight on the pitch (with a little warm up)...and their part time fitness still won them the game. that was one of many demoralising games against players who had other jobs. we can't sustain f/t at this level. we're financially in trouble as a part time concern. i could understand us when we get promoted out of this division, approaching it gently and perhaps p/t for the first season...given the plethora of part time sides who have proved you can stay up...but there has to be a vision in place to get us back in the position of going f/t again. these are the steps that could eventually see us pushing for our league status again. we need to move the dead wood permanently on - the likes of crainey and hand, who are probably earning double? what rhys turner is. if we can do it, we need to secure some of the non-contract players to protect our assets - to stop them just being cherry-picked - but i suspect we're probably not in a financial position to do that. we need to have a playable pitch because the better football we strive to play will be affected without it. we're already giving youth a chance where it deserves it, which is a great thing. it clearly is a meritocracy; hence the release of brandon windsor. i'm not sure though of the use of a romantic notion of: "right. no team talk today. just read that *gestures to notice board*.... that is what it means to the fans. now get out there and do it..." it's all a bit tiger comic. there is already tons of feedback about what the fans think, on messageboards, twitter, through the pure phone and text in...they know already at least to some degree...notwithstanding that there would be a vociferous section of the paying fanbase wanting to know "what the f*** did you do that for?". what we actually need is a coherent plan on the pitch for the players available (which on current form may just be there) and players who really want to better themselves. that can potentially be a part-time advantage for us: for part-time players, what is better than being at a successful stockport county? they have other jobs so they may not want to go professional...and who else can really hold a candle to us in the part-time ranks? if we are successful and a real push for the league is a likelihood, we might then be in a position to tempt some of them to go full time; or at least have sounded out who may want that route so we can start to plan replacements for those who don't. i can't see why it's not possible to have a mix of full and part time players in a changeover period - the full timers could work in gym facilities during the day, and train evenings with the part timers. there is a route back - we just have to carefully get all of it right, whether it involves the above or not. and unfortunately we have a recent track record of getting it wrong.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Jan 5, 2014 8:37:28 GMT
agreed on the club communication though. my cousin is a head of year at stocky grammar and has previously arranged some pretty good things with the club - business breakfasts and the like. he's contacted them a couple of times this autumn - chris jolley i think - with some ideas that would be positive for the club, and has just had a deafening silence. if there's a contribution that could be beneficial for the club and it's not explored...i dunno...i'm not saying that they have to take on everybody's ideas, but if there's somebody bright and energised who is approaching you with something helpful, it seems idiotic not to harness it...if not the original idea, then finding a way to work with someone who will do the bulk of the work for you purely out of commitment to their job and the love of county.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Jan 5, 2014 8:40:04 GMT
he likes them to sparkle. otherwise be warned he will be tweeting about it... don't worry though, i think ten posts in and you get a slightly better designation - 'peter snape's lavatory attendant' or something... welcome, anyway.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Jan 5, 2014 8:50:59 GMT
I heard talk of the decision to go part-time would have been taken out of necessity even if we'd survived in the BSP, but why? Other clubs would no doubt save money on their playing budget by going part-time, but they chose not to because they know what we now know, that it would hinder their club further. Going down this road was a mistake, and it's going to take some serious changes at the club to reverse the damage. it strongly suggests that we were being run even more appallingly than we thought. i suppose it's a combination of things like dead wood on didi's lifetime contacts, and then the need to pay them off; a top-heavy structure that didn't reflect our level; and a host of inefficiencies that have eventually resulted in us cutting on top of cuts. what were we? third best attendances in the conference last season? the rent is obviously an issue not all clubs have to face, but it's a bit of a red herring when we were pulling in five times what -say- alfreton were... it's the legacy of idiot after idiot making the decisions that matter. snape handing the keys to evans, the 'revolutionary' six weeks of kalezic (christ...that seems like a long time ago already!)...you know the stuff. i suspect it was go part time or go bust, and that is surely just an indictment of how incompetent those in charge have been... going part time if we'd stayed up would have been a mistake, but one we never got to make! you're absolutely right about serious changes. it really is time for a regime change, and we really need them to get it right because we clearly don't have many more chances.
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Post by gazz on Jan 5, 2014 10:45:26 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that, ars. It just frustrates the hell out of me how countless people got it so wrong, one after the other. I still believe we are/were being guided to a situation where EP was/is unsustainable, and I still believe that some people in the shadows do want us out of there in the hope that EP will then be flattened and they got a nice chunk of whatever was built on there afterwards. It also wouldn't surprise me one bit if the laying off of the groundsman was part of speeding up the process. Pitch unplayable, forced to play games away from EP, testing water of how many fans would make the trip, then abandon EP next season.
Sounds too far-fetched, I know, but I've seen so much sh*t that you couldn't even make up already, is it really that unbelievable?
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Jan 5, 2014 12:36:02 GMT
it doesn't sound that far-fetched at all. the only thing i keep holding onto about this is 'the market' - that developments aren't flying up everywhere like they were ten years ago, that property prices aren't what they were before the crunch, nor lines of credit for developers or eventual buyers. i reckon the land is probably worth more to brian kennedy with the ground still on it to sell to -i'm sure he hopes- somebody who eventually takes us over rather than flattened and empty. that's what i've always clung onto anyway...but it might not be right...
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Post by gazz on Jan 5, 2014 18:50:47 GMT
I'd also like to think that was the case, ars.
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