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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:33:51 GMT
Q for anyone with more County knowledge than me (which is you all). This season we play Harrogate twice in the league within a week over the Christmas/New Year period. Is this (2 league games so close) an odd event or has it cropped up a fair bit in the past? If you go back far enough (and I'm quoting the "Stockport County A Complete Record") it's only unusual in recent times. Until and including the 1957-58 season league games were played on Christmas Day with the return fixture played on Boxing Day. That was fixture congestion!
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Post by gazz on Oct 8, 2016 18:12:29 GMT
Opinion.
Even though progress is being made, slowly but surely both off the pitch and on it, there are those still out there bemoaning the lack of a so-called 'white knight'.
My answer to them is why would anyone want to come in right now and throw money at the club, unless of course they're fans who have won the lottery? In my opinion it's unlikely that we'll see another Uncle Brendan coming in just yet.
However, what better way to attract the attention of potential buyers etc than to show we can do it on our own? For me there isn't one. This isn't a doom and gloom post, it's simply my realistic view of how I think our best chance of investment will come about.
In life, many of us like to help people less fortunate than ourselves, it's human nature. However, there comes a time when a person will exhaust any goodwill by not trying to help themselves and will hold their hand out for money one time too many - that's when we are less likely to want to put our hands in our pockets to help.
The same principle applies to County. We need to prove we can stand on our own two feet and maximise 100% what we have, week in, week out and sustain it. We need to be able to show that any extra money coming into the club from investors, benefactors or buyers would be helping to build something better on solid, dependable foundations - not just making sure we can pay the bills a bit earlier.
When businessmen see we are a self-sufficient, well run club with a solid, structure, then we may see these people wanting to get involved.
You're more likely to give a fiver today to a person who will use it wisely and won't be asking for another one tomorrow. We have to show that we're not a charity case, that we're not going to be a money pit. By that very same token, for our own good we have to get to a position where, if we do see someone coming in to help, we'll still be in a position to continue efficiently should they decide to leave. This is what I firmly believe our current owners want for the club.
It's an ironic thing to suggest, but I really do believe that the less likely we appear to need help, the more chance we have of attracting new owners or investors. Holding out a begging bowl will get us diddly squat.
Just my opinion.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Oct 8, 2016 18:36:59 GMT
Fair post Gazza and I agree with most of it. When we were looking for managers in the pay and people were suggesting all sorts of names. I would say but why would they want to come here?
We have got to make ourselves an attractive option rather than a lost cause. That comes from living within our means and showing we are a sustainable proprosition.
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Post by gazz on Oct 8, 2016 19:16:36 GMT
We have got to make ourselves an attractive option rather than a lost cause. That comes from living within our means and showing we are a sustainable proprosition.
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Post by gazz on Oct 8, 2016 19:19:35 GMT
Nice gesture - a post over on Marionsboard: Adam Etches & "Scfc Supporters"
Posted by Saint Saviour on 8/10/2016, 7:37 pm
Just took a call from Adam Etches saying thanks to every County supporter for the good wishes he receives for his ongoing recovery.
In the Bung today, I heard Fitzy ask rather than the money we raise for The Players Fund go to the bank account on Monday, would everyone be ok if we made today's takings from the fund as a special donation to Adam, the place erupted with applause in agreement and the donations begun.
The lad is really chuffed with the donation and he wanted to say thanks to all supporters for a visit he had from Fitzy this evening following that supporters donation of over �300.00.
He hopes to come in the Bungalow soon to show us his recovery progress.
Nice touch eh....members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/thread/1475951847.html
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Post by ceefer on Oct 8, 2016 19:46:14 GMT
Opinion.Even though progress is being made, slowly but surely both off the pitch and on it, there are those still out there bemoaning the lack of a so-called 'white knight'. My answer to them is why would anyone want to come in right now and throw money at the club, unless of course they're fans who have won the lottery? In my opinion it's unlikely that we'll see another Uncle Brendan coming in just yet. However, what better way to attract the attention of potential buyers etc than to show we can do it on our own? For me there isn't one. This isn't a doom and gloom post, it's simply my realistic view of how I think our best chance of investment will come about. In life, many of us like to help people less fortunate than ourselves, it's human nature. However, there comes a time when a person will exhaust any goodwill by not trying to help themselves and will hold their hand out for money one time too many - that's when we are less likely to want to put our hands in our pockets to help. The same principle applies to County. We need to prove we can stand on our own two feet and maximise 100% what we have, week in, week out and sustain it. We need to be able to show that any extra money coming into the club from investors, benefactors or buyers would be helping to build something better on solid, dependable foundations - not just making sure we can pay the bills a bit earlier. When businessmen see we are a self-sufficient, well run club with a solid, structure, then we may see these people wanting to get involved. You're more likely to give a fiver today to a person who will use it wisely and won't be asking for another one tomorrow. We have to show that we're not a charity case, that we're not going to be a money pit. By that very same token, for our own good we have to get to a position where, if we do see someone coming in to help, we'll still be in a position to continue efficiently should they decide to leave. This is what I firmly believe our current owners want for the club. It's an ironic thing to suggest, but I really do believe that the less likely we appear to need help, the more chance we have of attracting new owners or investors. Holding out a begging bowl will get us diddly squat. Just my opinion. A lot of sense there Gazman... With a speech like that you'd get on the Co-op Board
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Post by gazz on Oct 8, 2016 19:58:18 GMT
Opinion.Even though progress is being made, slowly but surely both off the pitch and on it, there are those still out there bemoaning the lack of a so-called 'white knight'. My answer to them is why would anyone want to come in right now and throw money at the club, unless of course they're fans who have won the lottery? In my opinion it's unlikely that we'll see another Uncle Brendan coming in just yet. However, what better way to attract the attention of potential buyers etc than to show we can do it on our own? For me there isn't one. This isn't a doom and gloom post, it's simply my realistic view of how I think our best chance of investment will come about. In life, many of us like to help people less fortunate than ourselves, it's human nature. However, there comes a time when a person will exhaust any goodwill by not trying to help themselves and will hold their hand out for money one time too many - that's when we are less likely to want to put our hands in our pockets to help. The same principle applies to County. We need to prove we can stand on our own two feet and maximise 100% what we have, week in, week out and sustain it. We need to be able to show that any extra money coming into the club from investors, benefactors or buyers would be helping to build something better on solid, dependable foundations - not just making sure we can pay the bills a bit earlier. When businessmen see we are a self-sufficient, well run club with a solid, structure, then we may see these people wanting to get involved. You're more likely to give a fiver today to a person who will use it wisely and won't be asking for another one tomorrow. We have to show that we're not a charity case, that we're not going to be a money pit. By that very same token, for our own good we have to get to a position where, if we do see someone coming in to help, we'll still be in a position to continue efficiently should they decide to leave. This is what I firmly believe our current owners want for the club. It's an ironic thing to suggest, but I really do believe that the less likely we appear to need help, the more chance we have of attracting new owners or investors. Holding out a begging bowl will get us diddly squat. Just my opinion. A lot of sense there Gazman... With a speech like that you'd get on the Co-op Board I appreciate the kind words, matey, but I'd rather stop a bunch of nutters getting in - rather than add another string to their crazy bow!
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Post by hermannsays on Oct 8, 2016 23:05:47 GMT
Opinion.Even though progress is being made, slowly but surely both off the pitch and on it, there are those still out there bemoaning the lack of a so-called 'white knight'. My answer to them is why would anyone want to come in right now and throw money at the club, unless of course they're fans who have won the lottery? In my opinion it's unlikely that we'll see another Uncle Brendan coming in just yet. However, what better way to attract the attention of potential buyers etc than to show we can do it on our own? For me there isn't one. This isn't a doom and gloom post, it's simply my realistic view of how I think our best chance of investment will come about. In life, many of us like to help people less fortunate than ourselves, it's human nature. However, there comes a time when a person will exhaust any goodwill by not trying to help themselves and will hold their hand out for money one time too many - that's when we are less likely to want to put our hands in our pockets to help. The same principle applies to County. We need to prove we can stand on our own two feet and maximise 100% what we have, week in, week out and sustain it. We need to be able to show that any extra money coming into the club from investors, benefactors or buyers would be helping to build something better on solid, dependable foundations - not just making sure we can pay the bills a bit earlier. When businessmen see we are a self-sufficient, well run club with a solid, structure, then we may see these people wanting to get involved. You're more likely to give a fiver today to a person who will use it wisely and won't be asking for another one tomorrow. We have to show that we're not a charity case, that we're not going to be a money pit. By that very same token, for our own good we have to get to a position where, if we do see someone coming in to help, we'll still be in a position to continue efficiently should they decide to leave. This is what I firmly believe our current owners want for the club. It's an ironic thing to suggest, but I really do believe that the less likely we appear to need help, the more chance we have of attracting new owners or investors. Holding out a begging bowl will get us diddly squat. Just my opinion. There are various models of running a club but underpinning your post is a sense of pride and community, a sense about building a future which today's fans and future generations can connect with. It matches what I saw around EP today - the kids coming for the 1st time with their parents, struggling to sit still but knowing it was important to their dad that they were there at this football match, together. Sat three seats away was a guy, arms folded, who has taken his seat at the ground since the 50s. Behind, a group of singers hoarsely rattled off the County jukebox and cracked the one-liners at opposition players. At one point there was the juxtaposition of a parent explaining the rules of the game to his daughter while the long-time fan did the same to the referee and his assistant! But, when the goals went in, the connection between all these people became one - united in the emotion of seeing their club's goal. From what I have read, some people in 'the other place' portray a world where money is the answer to everything. In fact, it sometimes appears that money is the only 'investment' that exists in this world. To prove this, those investing their time for nothing or putting in money are belittled and fans investing their support and belief as season-ticket holders is something worthy of being mocked. While none of us are so naive as to think money does not play a part in many forms of success, to negate the aspects of a club which give it its unique identity is frankly a baffling way to act. 3500 or so County fans invested their time, money and support today for a level 6 game and what's great is they didn't turn up due to the off chance they could have a selfie with Gary Neville or be on the tele. And what's also great is just last week the fans got to see another form of 'investment' when the young lad got to come on for 30 seconds in the FA Cup game! I suppose this can all be summed up with the 'investment' in Adam Etches today - some will see he was given money, others will see he was given something he will never forget, a recognition and connection with the club from those supporters. But hey, after writing all that I suppose the 'Money = promotion' versus 'Mr Happy to be 6th tier' narrative is a lot more succinct... although not quite as succinct as the act of voting!
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Oct 8, 2016 23:12:41 GMT
what? i'm not going to be on the telly?!? spot on hermann. great post.
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Post by gazz on Oct 8, 2016 23:45:00 GMT
spot on hermann. great post. Seconded - brilliantly put, H!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 7:51:50 GMT
It also seems reasonable to point out that for all memories that we have of the period of Elwood's ownership, unless the club finds somone with bottom pits for pockets even the keenest businessman is going run out of disposable cash to throw at a club and will want out and will, not unreasonably, want to take his money with him. When that happens the consequences can be disastrous, as we know. The recent history of the game is littered with such examples, as well as examples of the bloodsucker who sees a club as chance to make a quick profit and be damned to it's supporters, tradition, history, etc. At the moment this club belongs to people like me and my fellow contributors, born and brought up in the area with an affiliation to the town, irrespective of where we now live, who've traipsed the length and breadth of this country to have their spirits lifted or taken to the depths by players both brilliant and shite but who play for their team.
Having said that, one of the things I'm hoping for with the appointment of people like Steve Bellis is that the club will return to trying to extend interest in the club beyond the immediate area with its involvement with schools. That, for me, is where the future lies. Without developing its fan base the club will be nothing other than the play thing of someone with more cash than they know what to do with, soulless, empty and meaningless. Apologies for the introspection but this football club has been the most important feature of my life. Its been there through thick and thin and I'd like it to continue to be there through thick and thin for me and now my son.
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Post by gazz on Oct 9, 2016 9:05:51 GMT
Another excellent post, Yorks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 11:33:08 GMT
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Post by dudleyhatter on Oct 9, 2016 19:01:18 GMT
Who won at Wembley again?
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Post by dudleyhatter on Oct 9, 2016 19:02:57 GMT
They are also doing well, 7th in the table and only 1 point off the play offs.
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