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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:26:25 GMT
That was a interesting election from someone from the outside looking in.Labour are in a complete mess and it will take them years to even challenge the Tories. The most interesting results for me was the DUP losing two seats and now nationalists have more seats in the north than unionists. The DUP and Brexit have done more for bringing about a United Ireland than the IRA ever did. f***ing mental or what ! It depends on who the Labour Party go for as leader. My own favourite would be Keir Starmer. A former human rights lawyer, highly intelligent and shadow cabinet member. His biggest problem is the fact that he is a London constituency MP whereas most of the other front runners are women and currently provincial MP's, both of which being particularly important factors imo. Am I right in saying that the SDLP have been the biggest beneficiary in NI? They seem to represent a rather less aggressive form of nationalism than Sinn Fein who seem to have begun to piss people off because of their refusal to take the oath and therefore actually represent their constituencies in parliament. The DUP eh? Propping up a Brexit Party when the majority in NI voted to remain. Makes you wonder what goes on between the ears of these clowns sometimes. Not to worry though because Johnson says it's now "time to heal". Boris...old chap...f*** right off you lying piece of sh*t! There isn't a single circumstance in which I would get behind you or your wretched party and its appeal to narrow-minded greed and selfishness, in both of which you are the ultimate embodiment.
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Post by irishcountyfan on Dec 13, 2019 22:35:53 GMT
That was a interesting election from someone from the outside looking in.Labour are in a complete mess and it will take them years to even challenge the Tories. The most interesting results for me was the DUP losing two seats and now nationalists have more seats in the north than unionists. The DUP and Brexit have done more for bringing about a United Ireland than the IRA ever did. f***ing mental or what ! It depends on who the Labour Party go for as leader. My own favourite would be Keir Starmer. A former human rights lawyer, highly intelligent and shadow cabinet member. His biggest problem is the fact that he is a London constituency MP whereas most of the other front runners are women and currently provincial MP's, both of which being particularly important factors imo. Am I right in saying that the SDLP have been the biggest beneficiary in NI? They seem to represent a rather less aggressive form of nationalism than Sinn Fein who seem to have begun to p**s people off because of their refusal to take the oath and therefore actually represent their constituencies in parliament. The DUP eh? Propping up a Brexit Party when the majority in NI voted to remain. Makes you wonder what goes on between the ears of these clowns sometimes. Not to worry though because Johnson says it's now "time to heal". Boris...old chap...f*** right off you lying piece of sh*t! There isn't a single circumstance in which I would get behind you or your wretched party and its appeal to narrow-minded greed and selfishness, in both of which you are the ultimate embodiment. I wouldn't know anything about the front runners for the Labour leadership to be honest but what I do know is the Labour party need to pull itself back to the centre left position, under Corbyn they had gone to far left,even your average run of the mill Labour supporter couldn't stomach that. As for the SDLP they would be the moderate nationalist party in the north. As for Sinn Fein they have always ran on a abstaining platform and their voters know this and support it so personally it doesn't bother me.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Dec 13, 2019 23:24:41 GMT
It depends on who the Labour Party go for as leader. My own favourite would be Keir Starmer. A former human rights lawyer, highly intelligent and shadow cabinet member. agreed, and seemingly gagged during the campaign - not necessarily a bad thing now as he wasn't tarnished by being heavily involved. although by my logic, that could also help diane abbott, god forbid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 6:15:39 GMT
It depends on who the Labour Party go for as leader. My own favourite would be Keir Starmer. A former human rights lawyer, highly intelligent and shadow cabinet member. agreed, and seemingly gagged during the campaign - not necessarily a bad thing now as he wasn't tarnished by being heavily involved. although by my logic, that could also help diane abbott, god forbid. And more importantly, for some at least in the Labour Party, not tainted by association with Blair or Brown. This article from today's Guardian is a thoroughly excoriating examination of why the Labour Party is where it is. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/corbynism-labour-left-partyFreedland is right, depending on who they go for as their next leader, I for one may very well have voted for them for the last time. Unfortunately, I can't help feeling that one of the reasons Corbyn has yet to step down is that the extremist cabal of left wingers amongst his support, the Milne's and McCluskey's of this world still hope to secure some kind of automatic succession for those whose socialism they deeme to be sufficiently pure.
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Post by gazz on Dec 14, 2019 11:15:28 GMT
I'm of the opinion that, whatever your politics, a centrist administration would, by and large, be in the best interests of the general population of this country.
Although I myself am on the left of the political spectrum, I completely agree that left of centre is the widely accepted and necessary path for the Labour Party going forward.
I have no shame in declaring that I'm a socialist, but I'm also a social realist, and I know that the form of socialism that Corbyn has brought into the party just would not work for the majority of people in this country.
While there is a need for a welfare state and a greater share of the nation's wealth, there is also the need for some form of capitalism too, otherwise, why would any businessman bother to create jobs if he's not getting anything in return?
There will always be the extreme left and right playing political tug-of-war, but there has to be a balance for any party to be truly for the many and not the few. Entrepreneurship and capitalism has to be encouraged, but not allowed to get out of hand in the way that it has.
A fairer system of pay and a fairer system of tax is where the changes need to start, not just a case of hammering the wealthy, it has to be seen to be fair to the businesses, as without them we wouldn't have jobs.
It's all about getting the right balance.
Corbyn and Momentum have had their turn and it failed, it's time for a more central approach.
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Post by hatter_in_macc on Dec 14, 2019 20:42:49 GMT
Very good analysis there, Gazz-man.
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Post by gazz on Dec 17, 2019 11:06:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 13:48:43 GMT
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Post by gazz on Dec 18, 2019 11:43:00 GMT
There's lies, damned lies and then there's Boris Johnson.
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Post by another_ruined_saturday on Dec 18, 2019 19:28:43 GMT
get to f***, boris johnson.
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Post by gazz on Dec 20, 2019 8:10:15 GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/19/johnson-revises-eu-bill-to-limit-parliaments-role-in-brexit-talks"The new bill scraps or waters down a number of key protections that were in the last one published in October, when Johnson was trying to get the support of some backbench Labour MPs to get it through parliament.
It removes an entire schedule that promised to protect workers’ rights, with the government suggesting this will now be dealt with in separate legislation."Boris Johnson going back on something he said earlier? I'm not having that. 'Taking back control'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:59:48 GMT
Priceless. Yesterday they announced that any increase to the minimum wage is dependent upon the economy not taking a Brexit induced hit. Since manufacturing is already on the brink of a Brexit induced hit and we haven't actually left yet, working class Tories had best bend over. They're about to get rogered senseless by the very 'elites' they effect to despise. Elites who will be pissing themselves laughing all the way to the bank. Sadly, the rest of us will be paying as well.
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Post by gazz on Dec 20, 2019 13:16:26 GMT
Notice how The Guardian isn't allowing comments on that article either?
Democracy, huh?
I flagged up workers rights going out of the window if we leave a long time ago, ah well.
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Post by dudleyhatter on Dec 20, 2019 15:20:06 GMT
I really feel for you guys. I’m so glad I made the decision to move here. The UK is going to be a hard place to live for a number of years to come.
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Post by gazz on Dec 21, 2019 10:05:11 GMT
UK approves £4bn US takeover of defence company Cobham www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50874181?intlink_from_url=&link_location=live-reporting-story However, Lady Nadine Cobham - part of the family which set up the UK firm - called the decision "deeply disappointing" and criticised the timing of the decision, announced late on Friday night.
Lady Cobham said it was "cynically timed to avoid scrutiny on the weekend before Christmas".
She has previously warned the deal could jeopardise the UK's capacity for mid-air refuelling
She said: "In one of its first major economic decisions, the government is not taking back control so much as handing it away.
"In Cobham we stand to lose yet another great British defence manufacturer to foreign ownership, through a takeover that would never have been approved by the Americans, French or Japanese, all of whom have taken steps recently to raise protections for their own defence sectors."
Sir Alan Cobham founded Flight Refuelling Limited in 1934, which has grown to become a group of companies under the Cobham family name.
Lady Cobham is the widow of Sir Alan's son, Sir Michael Cobham.Looks like the fire sale has started. What are your thoughts on this, Yorks?
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