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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:03:44 GMT
Agreed on Milliband. I'd like to see Chuka Umunna replace him to be honest.
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Post by gazz on May 8, 2015 12:18:48 GMT
Agreed on Milliband. I'd like to see Chuka Umunna replace him to be honest. I think he's too young, but definitely one for the future. It has to be David Milliband or Andy Burnham for me this time around.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:30:29 GMT
True, but having said that Blair was only 43 when he became PM and Chuka will be 41 come the next election (assuming that will be 5 years down the line). I do agree he is one for the future, and I would imagine Burnham would be favourite this time round though.
Will be interesting to see how united the Tory party will be with only a very slight majority. There's always a tendency for Tory back-benchers to be difficult and sometimes vote against the party line, and with a slender majority every vote will count.
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Post by gazz on May 8, 2015 12:38:31 GMT
but having said that Blair was only 43 when he became PM and Chuka will be 41 come the next election Slight difference though, matey. John Smith had worked tirelessly for two years to bring the party back from the dead after Kinnock famously grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory in 92. So the party was well on the road to government when Smith sadly died, and Blair took over with the party in a lot better shape than it is now. It needs an experienced head to lift it off the floor.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 12:40:01 GMT
That's a very good point to be honest.
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Post by bigfudge on May 8, 2015 14:05:48 GMT
Another 5 years of manipulating unemployment figures by putting people on unethical Zero Hour contracts, potential privatisation of the NHS and creation of what would be a catastrophic two-tier sytem, reduction of mansion tax, maintaining of bedroom tax, unfair categorisation and victimisation of people who literally can't work or survive without help from the government, people needing food banks and people with physical and mental disabilities who will suffer.
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Post by bringbacklenwhite on May 8, 2015 14:20:38 GMT
As one observer has written:-
The Tories won England, SNP won Scotland, Labour won Wales and the DUP won N Ireland ! The Kingdom of the United ?
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Post by gazz on May 8, 2015 14:51:16 GMT
I've told you how these zero hour contracts work, Fudgie. They're going on where I work.
The day is split into two twelve hour shifts, four days a week. There are so many 'full time' agency staff who get all those hours guaranteed, then there are four more full time places on each shift, eight in total, that are divided among around TWENTY casual employees, giving each one a day or two each on a standard work load, sometimes more if the work is particularly busy. So multiply that across every workplace in the country that employ this method, you can see where Cameron's lies regarding more jobs start to unravel.
Oh, and this also means that they earn just a tad more than the limit set by the government for receiving universal credit.
This means, less people claiming, less benefit payments, and more people on the f**king breadline living hand to mouth not knowing what next week will bring.
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Post by bigfudge on May 8, 2015 15:14:20 GMT
Oh I know mate! It hasn't fooled me mate! We get another 5 years of these lies claiming to have helped the figures when they've just manipulated the figures!
Sent from my Hudl HT7S3 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 16:15:05 GMT
What I don't get is, everyone I've spoken to, and everyone on Facebook, is devastated, so who the bloody hell voted for them? Look to the election of Boris Johnson for the answer to that one. People who could vote for a t0$$3r like that like that would vote for a turd were it wearing a blue rosette. It's nice to know that cap doffing deference to the privileged and monied classes is alive and well and living in England isn't it. Share your despair mate!
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Post by gazz on May 8, 2015 16:42:11 GMT
Look to the election of Boris Johnson for the answer to that one. People who could vote for a t0$$3r like that like that would vote for a turd were it wearing a blue rosette. It's nice to know that cap doffing deference to the privileged and monied classes is alive and well and living in England isn't it. Share your despair mate! Post of the year so far!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 16:53:41 GMT
I absolutely share the views expressed elsewhere on this thread. How Cameron has the brass neck to speak of one nation conservatism when they've played the race card yet again is beyond me. If some of the views expressed about the Scots had been expressed about Jewish people in the papers the authors would have been facing enquiries by the Police. I could seriously contemplate living north of the border tbh, happily I have the type of job that lends itself to contracting so it doesn't matter where I live
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Post by dudleyhatter on May 8, 2015 16:58:07 GMT
There is a reason skies are cloudy today. The future is bleak, no-one to restrain the chinless wonder. Wait until they redraw the boundaries to ensure the will never be defeated.
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Post by gazz on May 8, 2015 17:04:20 GMT
Wait until they redraw the boundaries to ensure the will never be defeated. That's coming.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 17:05:07 GMT
That's an interesting point although when Blair came to power with a huge majority it wouldn't have made any difference. Even under the proposed changes the Labour party would have won. Now, sit back and watch the fun as the Tory party tears itself apart once the extreme right lunatic fringe get hold of Cameron just like they did John Major. The similarities between then and now are striking albeit that the Labour party is not currently in such a strong position.
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